cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Mon 8 Aug, 2016 04:54 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Do people still believe Donald Trump? Even after this?

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/03/31/ninety-one-percent-donald-trump-false.html

91% of what Donald Trump says are false. He's is a pathological liar.
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Mon 8 Aug, 2016 05:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
He's a danger to the Republic. That he makes Hilary look real good says it all.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Mon 8 Aug, 2016 05:16 pm

From 'Tiny Hands' to Melania's Nude Pics: What Do Trump’s Evangelical Supporters Make of the Sexual Quirks of His Campaign?

Steamy photos and references to his own manhood don't seem to faze the Christian right.

By Carrie Weisman / AlterNet
August 3, 2016





Remember when Donald Trump decided a presidential debate was a good platform to defend the size of his hands? “If they are small, something else must be small. I guarantee you there is no problem. I guarantee,” he announced to the 16.9 million people watching from home. He’s also made veiled comments about Fox News correspondent Megyn Kelly’s menstrual cycle, questioned Hilary Clinton’s ability to “satisfy” her husband, complimented his daughter’s figure on national television, and admitted he would date her if it weren’t for the blood ties. Most recently, the New York Post released nude photos of his wife Melania, one of her lying naked in bed with Scandinavian model Emma Eriksson and another of her holding a whip—an exciting addition to a strange series of events attached to the “Christian” candidate.

According to the Pew Research Center, 78 percent of white evangelical voters say they would vote for Trump if the election were held today. Trump is now armed with an evangelical executive advisory board, that includes James Dobson, former president of Focus on the Family, and Richard Land, the former president of the Ethics and Religious Liberties Commission. Both condemn homosexuality, oppose the distribution of pornography and neither seems likely to endorse a candidate whose wife posed nude for a sexy spread. But they did.

And that’s not the only inconsistency surrounding evangelical support for Donald Trump. Most evangelicals believe in the “sanctity of marriage.” Trump has been married three times. Most evangelicals denounce premarital and extramarital sex. In The Art of the Deal, Trump brags about sleeping with married women. His daughter Tiffany was conceived out of wedlock, a rather big no-no for evangelicals who believe that the Bible is the word of God. And when he appeared on Bloomberg’s "With All Due Respect," Trump was asked to share his favorite Bible verse. He declined.

Ironically, the same day Melania’s photos surfaced, it was announced Trump had pledged that as president, he would make enforcing existing laws against pornography a top priority. He also promised to give “serious consideration” to appointing a Presidential Commission to “examine the harmful public health impact of Internet pornography on youth, families and the American culture.” But regarding his wife’s titillating photos, Trump said, “In Europe, pictures like this are very fashionable and very common.” The Trump campaign's senior communications adviser Jason Miller told CNN, "They’re a celebration of the human body as art. Nothing to be embarrassed about with the photos. She’s a beautiful woman.”

It’s true that social mores surrounding sex are changing. But between North Carolina’s bathroom bill, new laws making it legal for doctors, psychologist and counselors to discriminate over sexual orientation, and the continuous assault on women’s reproductive rights, it seems like that shift hasn’t hit nearly hard enough.

So how will Trump’s evangelical supporters respond to the latest in a string of sexual themes attached to his campaign? If the past is any kind of indicator, it seems like they might just stomach it. Franklin Graham, son of evangelist Billy Graham, insists, "There's no perfect person — there's only one, and that's the Lord Jesus Christ, but he's not running for president of the United States." Still, it’s hard not to wonder why some would side with a man who continues to demonstrate behavior so terribly at odds with their religious convictions. The answer, some suggest, might not have to do with religion at all.

Jonathon Meritt of the Atlantic notes, “Evangelicals are acutely aware of their waning cultural influence and shrinking share of the population. These religious leaders care about their principles, yes. But they care about something else even more: power.” He adds, “Many of them will risk everything to reclaim cultural and political control—even if that means defying their own beliefs.”

In his fascinating study of Trump's mind in the Atlantic, Dan McAdams has another theory about Trump's appeal to evangelicals, and it has nothing to do with sex:

An American strand of authoritarianism may help explain why the thrice-married, foul-mouthed Donald Trump should prove to be so attractive to white Christian evangelicals. As Jerry Falwell Jr. told the New York Times in February, “All the social issues—traditional family values, abortion—are moot if ISIS blows up some of our cities or if the borders are not fortified.” Rank-and-file evangelicals “are trying to save the country,” Falwell said. Being “saved” has a special resonance among evangelicals—saved from sin and damnation, of course, but also saved from the threats and impurities of a corrupt and dangerous world.

Of course, Trump doesn’t have the support of all evangelicals. Russell Moore, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission has been one of the GOP candidate's most outspoken evangelical critics. Peter Wehner, senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center has said Trump’s attitude is “incompatible with Christianity.” In a post lamenting Trump’s treatment of evangelicals, one member of the Christian right concludes, “When the righteous are in authority and become great, the people rejoice. But when the wicked man rules, the people groan and sigh." Proverbs 29:2 AMP.

Carrie Weisman is an AlterNet staff writer who focuses on sex, relationships and culture. Got tips, ideas or a first-person story? Email her.
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snood
 
  3  
Mon 8 Aug, 2016 05:36 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Do people still believe Donald Trump?

Yes. His base would believe him no matter what he does or says. He knows it - he's said it himself.
This shouldn't surprise you or anyone else at this point.
There isn't any critical thought going on behind the glazed eyes and spittle showering shouts of the dedicated Trump voter.
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Mon 8 Aug, 2016 05:49 pm
@snood,
Discouraging isn't it? So many Americans are taken by a scam artist, liar, racist, woman hater, doesn't have any understanding of our Constitution, and a xenophobe.
glitterbag
 
  4  
Mon 8 Aug, 2016 06:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I want to see what happens when they start digesting the open letter signed by 50 Repulicans stating they believe Trump would be the most reckless president we ever had and he is not worthy of the office.

I have never seen such a circus before as this election. It's become an embarrassment, I imagine the sober and moderate republicans are absolutely miserable about this farce.
snood
 
  3  
Mon 8 Aug, 2016 06:13 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I'm not discouraged. He is still just preaching to the same choir that voted for him in the primaries. The polls don't show him making much progress with everyone else - and he can't win the general with just the angry loyalists he brought from the primaries.
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Blickers
 
  3  
Mon 8 Aug, 2016 09:22 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote glitterbag:
Quote:
I imagine the sober and moderate republicans are absolutely miserable about this farce.

Most of them have been labelled RINOs and either been kicked out or shown that they are not considered as part of the party.
cicerone imposter
 
  4  
Mon 8 Aug, 2016 09:38 pm
@Blickers,
Many high ranking republicans have already denounced Trump on TV today.
Blickers
 
  3  
Mon 8 Aug, 2016 09:43 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Senator Susan Collins, (R-Maine), announced in the Washington Post that she will not be voting for Trump or Hillary.
cicerone imposter
 
  4  
Mon 8 Aug, 2016 09:45 pm
@Blickers,
Some republicans said they will vote for Hillary.

Brent Scowcroft, foreign policy adviser to four GOP presidents, said in a statement last month that Clinton “has the wisdom and experience to lead our country at this critical time.”
Henry Paulson Jr. former treasury secretary under President George W. Bush, said “Enough is enough. It’s time to put country before party and say it together: Never Trump.”
Richard Armitage, former deputy secretary of state to George W. Bush, told Politico last month, “If Donald Trump is the nominee, I would vote for Hillary Clinton.”
Ken Adelman, U.S. Arms Control director under Ronald Reagan, said “Not only am I not voting for Donald Trump, but also I am not voting for any Republican who endorsed or supported Trump.”
Dr. Patrick Cronin, senior official at USAID during the W. Bush administration, who said, “Only one candidate has thought through America’s challenges… and is ready to be president, and I intend to vote for her—Hillary Clinton.”
Philip Levy, member of President George W. Bush’s Council of Economic Advisors, said, “Never Trump and I meant it. If Secretary Clinton is the only viable alternative, I would expect to support her.”
Tony Fratto, W. Bush administration deputy press secretary, said, “I’d prefer to have Hillary Clinton in the White House than Donald Trump.”
Kori Schake, former George W. Bush National Security official, said she is voting for @HillaryClinton.
Jim Cicconi, former White House staffer under Presidents Reagan and H.W. Bush, said in a statement, “Hillary Clinton is experienced, qualified, and will make a fine president.
glitterbag
 
  4  
Mon 8 Aug, 2016 10:23 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:

Quote glitterbag:
Quote:
I imagine the sober and moderate republicans are absolutely miserable about this farce.

Most of them have been labelled RINOs and either been kicked out or shown that they are not considered as part of the party.


I have so many friends that are Republicans and they are bright, patriotic people. I believe they have friends (like me) who are also bright and patriotic. We may not agree on every policy issue that comes up, but we don't hate each other and we still honor the same things. I think it is unforgivable what Donald Trump has done to politics and the Republican Party. I hope the grown ups in the Party take it back and stop encouraging these clowns as if they can actually govern. The truth is just an annoyance to Trump, he prefers his 'feelings' and his outsized ego.
Builder
 
  0  
Mon 8 Aug, 2016 10:30 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
I think it is unforgivable what Donald Trump has done to politics and the Republican Party.


That's rich. Trump just exposed the underbelly of America.

The fact that this underbelly affiliates with the R side of the coin isn't Donald's work.
glitterbag
 
  4  
Mon 8 Aug, 2016 10:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
An open letter was released today signed by 50 well respected Republicans who have served many Presidents in Cabinet positions and as advisors who are stating that Trump can not become the next President because they believe he would be the most reckless president in the Oval Office. I realize his supporters think he will bring a fresh approach, but he doesn't know anything about White House protocol, dealings with foreign countries, the list is long and frightening about the skills and knowledge he should acquire before he ventures out, But Trump thinks his way will be huge, huge I tell ya, very very good and he will ignore the career folks who keep the institutions running so the decision makers get the information they need.
glitterbag
 
  4  
Mon 8 Aug, 2016 10:39 pm
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

Quote:
I think it is unforgivable what Donald Trump has done to politics and the Republican Party.


That's rich. Trump just exposed the underbelly of America.

The fact that this underbelly affiliates with the R side of the coin isn't Donald's work.


What I find as 'precious' is you still think you have a view or a say in a political season in the US, and you can't vote here because you are not an American.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Tue 9 Aug, 2016 05:40 am
@Builder,
"underbelly" isn't that the name of an Australian crime series?
woiyo
 
  -2  
Tue 9 Aug, 2016 06:09 am
@glitterbag,
Those 50 so called well respected republicans are only concerned about protecting their interests and are concerned Trump will "upset" the status quo. I will ignore the opinions of those so called respected republicans.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Tue 9 Aug, 2016 06:20 am
@bobsal u1553115,
You're thinking of Dunny Cop. I've heard it's very popular.
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revelette2
 
  1  
Tue 9 Aug, 2016 06:23 am
Anti-Trump Republican Launching Independent Presidential Bid

Not that he has a chance but if gains a little traction, he could end up taking votes away from Trump. Those who do not want Trump for president but can't stomach Hillary, might go for that guy.
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tsarstepan
 
  2  
Tue 9 Aug, 2016 06:24 am
@bobsal u1553115,
I'll just drop this here.
http://i67.tinypic.com/20igshz.jpg
The Daily Show with Trevor Noah

And NO! That isn't a closed caption typo... a freaking candidate for the US presidency being vulgar, crass, and imbecilic.
 

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