BillRM
 
  -2  
Wed 16 Mar, 2016 11:13 pm
@BillRM,
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTvGtS7XEEaMKli6qBpATpbmlICrBPHjYlvttVD6jjesFYM2NqLTQ

Here are a group of men taking a break from risking death building a skyscraper to have lunch.

Would they be any braver if they was on a battlefield instead?
snood
 
  3  
Wed 16 Mar, 2016 11:16 pm
@BillRM,
Like I said...no surprises here.
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BillRM
 
  -2  
Wed 16 Mar, 2016 11:21 pm
@snood,
So if you are force under threat of jail to go into combat you are braver or more honorable then others who are risking death for other reasons such as a fireman?

I worked with a guy who spend two years in the rain and combat in Vietnam thank to his draft board so he was more honorable then the fireman?
glitterbag
 
  4  
Wed 16 Mar, 2016 11:39 pm
@BillRM,
We no longer have a draft, it's an all volunteer military. I will not disparage our fire fighters or any other profession that is devoted to keeping the peace. God bless those men and women who are the first responders and often undervalued unless you need them.

I honestly can't fathom why you are trying to compare battle field fighters and fire fighters. There is no need to disparage one and praise the other. Then again, you never served in any military effort, I'll bet you were never a fire fighter either.

It's ok, you can sit on your ass while others serve this country at every level because they love this country. They know many people could care less about anything other than their hobbies. Just don't compare your hobby to the action our military performs in the effort to keep us safe. In other words, you are diddling around while others protect the country so you can diddle around. Don't forget to thank the troops because you need others to protect you.

BillRM
 
  -2  
Wed 16 Mar, 2016 11:44 pm
@glitterbag,
So due to the draft not being used at the moment we do not have a draft!!!!

Yes we do have a draft and there is now talk of having women as well as men register for the draft now that women are being allowed in all combat roles.
BillRM
 
  -2  
Wed 16 Mar, 2016 11:50 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:

http://www.npr.org/2016/02/28/468456823/fact-check-are-women-facing-the-draft

The Pentagon has opened all jobs across the military to women, including once-closed posts in the infantry and special operations forces. The announcement in December came after a nearly three-year process, and with the acknowledgement that women had fought and died in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Issue

That historic change has raised another historic question: Are women now facing the draft?

The Short Answer

No. Congress would need to change the law that governs Selective Service in order to require women to register, and that hasn't happened. Congress would also need to pass a law to restore the draft itself – a long shot, considering how unpopular it is. The debate is largely about symbolism and principle.

The Long Answer

President Barack Obama has removed all past restrictions on military service, including by gay, lesbian and transgender troops who want to serve openly and women who qualify to join front-line combat units. The Pentagon's admission of women to the infantry and other units sparked a debate in Washington over whether that meant women must also register to be drafted along with young men — and whether they might be called up involuntarily.

Obama's administration has not taken a position, citing the need to study the issue and at least two ongoing lawsuits in the federal court system. Those suits, by plaintiffs who challenged the ban on drafting women, could someday result in a ruling that might change Selective Service. The Supreme Court upheld the ban on registering women in 1981, citing the ban then in place on women in combat. With women now admitted, the court might opt to hear the new cases and it could issue a new ruling.

For now, at least two top military commanders – Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley and Marine Corps Commandant Gen. Robert Neller – have said they personally support registering and potentially drafting women.

The debate in Washington spread to the 2016 presidential race. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, a Democrat, has said she'd need more information about a proposal to evaluate it. Her Democratic challenger, Bernie Sanders, so far hasn't volunteered a position, nor has Republican candidate Donald Trump.

Florida Sen. Marco Rubio's view is nuanced. He supports requiring women to register with the Selective Service, but not drafting them into combat roles.

"The U.S. military is not an instrument for social experimentation," his campaign website says.

Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, however, has been clear that he opposes registering and drafting women. He has used the issue to try to underscore his conservatism.

"We have had enough with political correctness, especially in the military," he said during a New Hampshire town hall. "Political correctness is dangerous. And the idea that we would draft our daughters to forcibly bring them into the military and put them in close combat, I think is wrong. It is immoral, and if I am president, we ain't doing it."

The U.S. hasn't drafted anyone since 1973. Although young men still must register when they turn 18, it would require an act of Congress to revive selective service, include women, or both. That means the current debate over the draft is mostly symbolic and highly political. Some advocates tie drafting women to larger issues of fairness in the United States, such as the 1970s debate over the proposed Equal Rights Amendment to the Constitution.

Since the Pentagon lifted its ban on women in combat, at least two members of Congress have sponsored a bill that would require women to register when they turn 18. Lawmakers may hold hearings about the issue, but few members of Congress have shown no eagerness to tackle the issue, anxious about difficult symbolic votes on an unpopular issue in an
election year.
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glitterbag
 
  3  
Thu 17 Mar, 2016 12:19 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

So due to the draft not being used at the moment we do not have a draft!!!!

Yes we do have a draft and there is now talk of having women as well as men register for the draft now that women are being allowed in all combat roles.
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""""No we do not have a draft, we have volunteers, and many women sign up. Well they don't sign up for bungee jumping, glider sky jumping, or things of that nature. Currently we have young women coming home in a box, but not as many as the men coming home dead. Who snookered you into believing there was a draft??????? Hell, Bush invaded Iraq and lowered taxes. If the draft is ever brought back, it's likely women will register. And if the draft becomes law again, women will serve, they won't try to dazzle the military with tall tales about their bungee jumping exploits to avoid serving I bet you won't be breaking out in a sweat anytime soon, you're too old to be drafted, and when you WERE eligible, you were either unsuitable to serve or figured out how to defer.

maporsche
 
  2  
Thu 17 Mar, 2016 12:24 am
Lash must have gotten herself suspended. I was really hoping to hear from her after Tuesday's elections
roger
 
  2  
Thu 17 Mar, 2016 12:34 am
@maporsche,
She posted here on the 16th. Today is the 17th in mountain daylight so a little soon to panic.

http://able2know.org/topic/65973-146#post-6146078
BillRM
 
  -2  
Thu 17 Mar, 2016 01:59 am
@glitterbag,
See the problems that our young men run into if they do not obey the law and register for the draft.

You know the draft that according to me is on standby and according you no longer exist.
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Builder
 
  1  
Thu 17 Mar, 2016 03:58 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
As I've said before, Bill has great imagination. He can't separate what's factual and what's imagined. Poor Bill.


Bill the shill. He's playing with you people.

Intentionally dumbing down his tirades to lead your thinking.
snood
 
  2  
Thu 17 Mar, 2016 06:01 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

Quote:
As I've said before, Bill has great imagination. He can't separate what's factual and what's imagined. Poor Bill.


Bill the shill. He's playing with you people.

Intentionally dumbing down his tirades to lead your thinking.


Sort of like an infant playing with their feces to get attention?
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engineer
 
  2  
Thu 17 Mar, 2016 07:34 am
Five officers were disciplined for their actions after that guy was sucker punched at that Trump Rally.
revelette2
 
  2  
Thu 17 Mar, 2016 08:03 am
@engineer,
Quote:
In the days following the rally, the sheriff's office determined that Trump and his campaign would not face charges of inciting a riot.


I suppose they made the decision based on the headache it would cause rather than the merits.

engineer
 
  2  
Thu 17 Mar, 2016 08:05 am
@revelette2,
I think incitement to riot would be very hard to prove, especially when a quarter of any perspective jury pool would be Trump fans.
revelette2
 
  2  
Thu 17 Mar, 2016 08:05 am
@roger,
I noticed she is a little more active during the weekend than during week, probably her job as teaching.
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revelette2
 
  2  
Thu 17 Mar, 2016 08:07 am
@engineer,
About the fans I agree, but when he actually encouraging his supporter to get them out....offering to pay legal fees, I mean, if one wanted to go the trouble, the facts are there, getting fans to agree, you are probably right.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 17 Mar, 2016 10:22 am
@revelette2,
That only proves that Trump is not cut out to be president. Most voters should realize that simple fact.
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Thu 17 Mar, 2016 10:26 am
@Builder,
Someone once pointed out that when BillRM gets upset he becomes more coherent. Most people do the opposite, you don't concentrate as much on your language when you're upset.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Thu 17 Mar, 2016 12:51 pm
http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r589/duadmin/160317-economist-global-risk-assessment_zps3oofuwoj.jpg
 

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