Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2003 07:25 pm
I recently posted this little test of political standing on the Roundtable. Participants there found the results interesting, and a bit surprising. It has been suggested that those here might like to take the test, and post their standings.

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SealPoet
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2003 07:29 pm
Bookmarking. Been here, done this, lost the link.

Mrs. SealPoet and I are in the same quadrant, with her being just a shade more sxtreme than I. About what I'd figured.

Asherman... where are your results.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2003 07:41 pm
Economical Left/Right -8.38
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.13
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2003 07:54 pm
Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.49

(Pretty close to the Dalai Lama)
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Asherman
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2003 08:24 pm
When I took the test I didn't bother to write down the scores, but they were close to the position of Jean Chretien. I just did the test again, and the score was skewed just a bit. Second test score was:

Economic Left/Right= .25
Libertarian/Authoritarian= -.72

In short, both scores in both axis in tests one and two were very centerist. By this test at least, i don't seem to be the radical right-wing monster that some would have me. All of the Democratic candidates are far more authoritarian and economically further right than I am ... according to this test.

BTW, most of the "conservatives" who've taken this test have scored almost dead center in the Political Compass.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2003 09:14 pm
Interesting!

I don't have time to take the test now, but would like to come back to it.

From the few comments here, this seems to reinforce the notion that when it comes down to ISSUES rather than labels, we (speaking generally) have a lot in common. The thing is, if we have 90% in common, the 10% that differs is what can get rather (ahem) hotly contested.

Asherman, the Democratic candidates are further right than you are, according to the test, which means that Bush is WAY further right, correct? Does it bother you that your opinions are so much closer to the Democrats' than the presidents'?
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2003 09:25 pm
The conservatives have never been that much a problem to me. It's the neo cons, jingoists and military/industrial cheap wage people that I have problems with - regardless of where they register on a graph.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2003 09:34 pm
In addition to the "International chart" you'll get upon finishing the test,

* See HERE how the current US presidential candidates rank, according to the site.

* And see HERE (scroll down) to see how the UK parties rank according to the site.

Very interesting ...
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2003 09:36 pm
I hope noone's gonna consider this spamming, but I'm gonna copy my post(s) from over there in here ... one, so as to bookmark this thread, two, because i'm curious what people will say here.

nimh wrote:
I think I've done something like this before (even in high school already), but in comparison I found this one relatively detailed and precise.

I ended up exactly where I'd expected to end up at: a clear way into the bottom left corner, almost exactly as much to the left as to the libertarian:

Economic Left/Right: -5.00
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.90

I notice that this puts me somewhere near the Dalai Lama and Nelson Mandela. Not bad ;-)

The only quarrel I had with the test was that it often asked about "sometimes" and "some" and the like, which forced me to agree with submissions that I generally disagree with. As in, (paraphrasing), "with some criminals, it is a waste of time to try to rehabilitate them", or "sometimes, protectionism is necessary". Had to say "agree" on both, though in general, I feel quite strongly that protectionism is a bad thing and it should always be assumed that there is a point in rehabilitating criminals. But "sometimes", yes, for sure ...
Had this not been so, I'm sure I would have ended up even further in the left-bottom corner.


nimh wrote:
Ehmm ... [judging on the Roundtable posters' results,] I would think it obvious enough that, apparently, there's a stark difference between one's own positioning on this scale and that of the politicians one supports. And that this would be true for the Democrats here, too. [..]

Most of you support Bush - who is way over in the right-top corner - even though you yourselves ended up in the center. Why assume that the liberal A2K'ers somehow would end up around where their politician is at?

There's a much more obvious explanation: we all vote or support politicians who are significantly more top-right than we are. I do - in the UK, I would vote LibDem, not Green. And if the A2K liberals are as far "south-west" to Dean and Kerry as you are from Bush, they probably end up somewhere near me, or at least halfway there - which would sound about right.


nimh wrote:
Now why do people end up supportng politicians far more top-right than they are themselves? Thats an age-old question ...

One answer could be philosophical: we like our politicians to be more cautious, more conservative (small "c"), more strict, than ideally we would like the world to be - as if we don't quite trust our own dreams. Basically, we dont want our politicians to be as generous with our wallets and our safety as we would allow ourselves to be.

Another answer could be systematical. We live in a world where people like Kucinich and the UK Greens are laughed away as the "loonie left". This is argued on the basis of polls which show them with minimal support - but that in principle is a self-fulfilling prophecy, as the support one gathers depends on political and media acknowledgement. Even the polls themselves play a role - many Deanies probably would agree more with Kucinich, but won't even go there because they assume he "wouldn't stand a chance anyway". Basically, we live in a place where the media focuses on the top-right quadrant, and politicians only pay lip-service to politicians in other quadrants if they're from some safe, distant country, like Mandela.

Now if all of the media and political attention is focused on identifying left and right within the top-right quadrant, and thus Kerry ends up being labelled "left" and Bush "right", then people from the bottom-left quadrant would naturally start identifying with Kerry - after all, they're left, and he's the "left" candidate. Comes automatically. Partly we're not even aware anymore of how far to the right our candidate is from us - we have internalised the need for them to have had to make many compromises. For example - in the poll I said that I agreed with the principle of "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need". Now imagine a society where this principle would really determine economic and social policy ... imagine it. Yeh, utopian socialism, pretty much. In the meantime, I've come to naturally consider a politician proposing that the rich should pay 5% more tax than they do now a "leftist".

O - just because I spent three times as many words on the second answer than on the first doesn't mean I give it greater credence - just takes more time to explain ;-). I think they both play a role, in very different dimensions.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2003 09:38 pm
Heh - I'm to the left of PDiddie. I knew it - you ex-Reaganite you! Razz
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2003 09:46 pm
I also suspect that many who register at center are only there when answering these questions, but spin away from there with their daily (real life) decisions.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2003 10:14 pm
Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.36

That's just about square with Nelson Mandela and slightly to the left of the Dalai Lama. Very Happy

(yup)
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MichaelAllen
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2003 10:17 pm
Some questions are hard to answer because I'm wondering from what standpoint they are being asked, my personal opinion or society as a whole. Some seemed to be asking for a philosophical answer rather than a political one. Or a question that you find hard to answer because you know it is a true postulate, but you don't want things that way. I'll tell you this, enough questions were asked that were so similar but because of one word, I had to choose the opposite answer. I wouldn't be surprised if everyone doesn't come out middle of the road or, in this case, within only a few quadrants of the center. Thoughts made during the taking of the test.

Results:
Economic Left/Right: 1.38
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.18
A Libertarian Right. A Liberal Democrat according to the chart.

I'm supposed to be alligned with Milton Friedman who said, "The only social responsibility of a corporation is to deliver a proft to its shareholders." And I directly disagreed. Of course, my mark is one section over and one section down from dead center. I guess I can still pride myself on being rather balanced.

Governments should penalise businesses that mislead the public. What should governments do to themselves when they mislead the public?
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fishin
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2003 10:18 pm
edgarblythe wrote:
I also suspect that many who register at center are only there when answering these questions, but spin away from there with their daily (real life) decisions.


I agree. The questions are worded so that you have to select either an "Agree" or "Disagree" response and while you or I may agree or disagree with something in principle it doesn't mean that either of us would feel the same when we saw an actual proposal with all the details.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2003 10:23 pm
Also, some who register as wild eyed radicals might get closer to center that way.
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MichaelAllen
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2003 10:26 pm
nimh wrote:
In addition to the "International chart" you'll get upon finishing the test,

* See HERE how the current US presidential candidates rank, according to the site.

* And see HERE (scroll down) to see how the UK parties rank according to the site.

Very interesting ...


Yeah, very interesting...NO ONE IS IN MY CAMP, ANYWHERE Laughing
Milton Friedman is my only friend and I'm not so sure I like him.

I look at the charts and see spots splattered all over three of the quadrants. Mine...EMPTY
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pueo
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2003 10:29 pm
bookmark
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CerealKiller
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2003 10:47 pm
Economic Left/Right: -2.12
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.38

I think this test can only be accurate for people with very little knowledge of the issues. Most of the questions they posed weren't nearly so simple as the answers they supplied. I can't imagine how they can make any kind of political assessment from that; it isn't the answer that is important, but an individual's fundamental reasons for answering the way they did.
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pueo
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2003 12:57 am
for whatever it's worth

economic left/right: 2.12

libertarian/authoritarian: 1.49
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Ceili
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2003 01:41 am
Economic Left/Right: -0.88
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.90

Ironically, I'm closest to Jean Chretien. I had no idea my thinking was in line with the canadian government. I find it interesting canadian politics are so different from most of the world.
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