TEA PARTY TO AMERICA: NOW WHAT?!

@cicerone imposter,

Your "proof" didn't prove anything. The facts of the matter arer quite clear: for the past two years the Democrats have enjoyed enormous majorities in both houses of Congress. They didn't need Republican support and they didn't try to get it except when they needed voted to overcome opposition from within their own party. In particular Obama and the Democrat legislative leaders didn't involve Republicans in the drafting of any of their major legislative initiatives. No surprise ther: large majorities of either party rarely do otherwise. "The party of No" bit is merely a rhetorical device the Democrats cynically use to demonize their opponents. The fact is that the Republicans truly opposed most of the Democrat legislative initiatives in issue here, and the results of the last election strongly suggest that a very large segment of the voting public agrees with them.

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@okie,

If its toothless, seems they just gummed down A democrat(Wrangle) for misfeasance. NO?

WHY dump it if its considered tooth;less? Why not give it teeth. ? This argument is exactly what the GOP wants to do to "obamaCAre" as they are given orders from the puppetmasters of the Insurance industry

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@revelette,

You are absolutely right about the Tea Totalitarians or the TeaJihad as some of the younger folks are calling them.

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@blueveinedthrobber,

That's because a gun is basically a dick emblem.

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@okie,

boehner recognizes that the AMerican right is made up of unethical and selfish spoiled brats who will do as they please.

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@georgeob1,

It's not a matter of just a "rhetorical device:" they use it to misinform the general public about most things that congress approved.

From FactCheck:

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Were there more cloture votes in the Senate last year than in all of the 1950s and 1960s combined?

(CNN) - President Barack Obama Wednesday accused Republicans of packing "20 years of obstruction into one." Speaking to Senate Democrats, he declared, "You had to cast more votes to break filibusters last year than in the entire 1950s and '60s combined."

Fact Check: Were there more cloture votes in the Senate last year than in all of the 1950s and 1960s combined?

– A vote to end filibuster debate is called a cloture vote. From the 81st Congress (1949-1950) through the 91st Congress (1969-1970), there were a total of 30 votes on cloture. There were no more than seven cloture votes in any single session during those years.

– Starting with the 92nd Congress (1971-72), cloture votes became more frequent. Part of that can be explained by the fact that the Senate changed the required majority in 1975, making it easier to induce cloture.

– The 110th Congress (2007-2008) is the record-holder so far: There were 112 votes on cloture during that two-year period.

– So far, the 11th Congress (2009-2010) has held 41 cloture votes, 39 of them last year, two more this year.

Bottom Line: President Obama is correct. There were 39 cloture votes last year, nine more than the combined total for 1949-1970.

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@plainoldme,

And POM is basically an ignorance emblem

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@georgeob1,

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"The party of No" bit is merely a rhetorical device the Democrats cynically use to demonize their opponents.

The facts of the matter say that you are perfectly incorrect, George. The truth is that the Republicans used every dirty trick they could think of to keep the 'large majorities' the Dems fielded from getting anything done, with some success.

Why even pretend like this? You know that this is EXACTLY what they did. We had an extensive conversation about this in the other thread. You agree with me. You just don't think that it was wrong, in any way, to use whatever tactics necessary to win. And you would support the Dems and Obama using whatever tactics they need to, to marginalize the Republicans in the House and Senate, in order to win their position; regardless of what the public may have signaled in the last election, because what the public wants is inferior to achieving the goal. Right?

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

ASOmetimes the Party of "No" has em[loyed the tactics of "The party of THIS IS NO ****", like when some GOP wag began the "Death Panel" lies

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@Cycloptichorn,

We will both be able to observe the tactics House Democrats use in their new minority status in that body.

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

That's because a gun is basically a dick emblem.

U leftists are absolutely OBSESSED about our sexual organs.
U collectivists just keep ranting on and on and on about them,
whenever the subject of self-defense arises, Plain.

I have liked sex all of my life that I 'm able to remember,
but I have never associated guns with sex. Thay r unrelated, except in the leftist mind.

David

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

Does being "pro-victim of crime" mean you want to see the number of victims increased?

No, Plain, but I kinda love it when I read of a victim killing the bad guy (be he man or beast).

David

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

You can not say how the FFs would have reacted to the drug scourge.
That would mean you are no longer an Originalist.

The HELL, I can 't, Plain. I 've read what thay had to say, and I 've QUOTED IT, in this forum and on Abuzz;
that s more than u did.

David

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

"The party of No" bit is merely a rhetorical device the Democrats cynically use to demonize their opponents.

Totally agreed, george. This whole "party of no" expression is about as silly as could possibly be. When in this country have both parties agreed, and when did one party ever rubber stamp what the other party wanted? In fact, it would be a sad day if that ever happened.

What do the Democrats and Obama want, no opposition? That is what they do in dictatorships. "No thanks" is my answer to that.

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@okie,

Check this out, then refute it - wherever you can:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-pLSdGa0M4

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18NSjDI6ILk&NR=1

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@cicerone imposter,

Are you suggesting that their opposition to a massive Federal give away done in the deceitful name of "economic recovery" with borrowed money that will burden future generations of taxpayers was harmful ? The stimulus plan and other related payoffs to various constituent groups didn't "stimulate" any recovery at all. The current recession is not unusual in terms of its severity, but it certainly is unusual in terms of its duration and the very slow recovery we are almost experiencing from it. Opposing spending and entitlement programs that worsen our economic situation is hardly opposition to beneficial stimulus programs.

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

Are you suggesting that their opposition to a massive Federal give away done in the deceitful name of "economic recovery" with borrowed money that will burden future generations of taxpayers was harmful ?

YES! Except there wasn't anything deceitful about it.

The burden to the future generations that we have taken on from the tax cuts on ONLY the highest two brackets, under Bush, dwarfs the cost of the Stimulus and had no positive effect on employment whatsoever. Yet you never said a single word against it at the time and you don't speak against extending those tax cuts now. In short, I find your sudden concern about the deficit and debt to be totally and completely false.

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The stimulus plan and other related payoffs to various constituent groups didn't "stimulate" any recovery at all.

Yes, it did. You didn't bother to respond to my post where I pointed out the lies you've been forwarding on this subject and here you are again, doing the same thing.

It is a fact - not an opinion - that the Stim bill helped create some jobs, helped save a lot of jobs, and added to the GDP during the quarters when we needed it the worst. You are completely wrong, and what more, I submit that your position is one based on politics and not on a logical or factual examination of the situation.

Please stop forwarding lies, George. Or at least have the guts to respond when you are accurately called out on doing so.

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The current recession is not unusual in terms of its severity, but it certainly is unusual in terms of its duration and the very slow recovery we are almost experiencing from it. Opposing spending and entitlement programs that worsen our economic situation is hardly opposition to beneficial stimulus programs.

Yes, that's exactly what it is. Focusing on deficit reduction and Austerity right now is the height of idiocy. Look to Ireland and Greece - their austerity measures have completely backfired. The UK is in a similar situation. In fact, I'm wondering what data set you are drawing your conclusions from; where are your examples of governments instituting austerity measures during a recession, and this leading to any improvement in the situation of the country - at all?

The speed at which your bunch pivoted from running up mind-boggling debts to demanding that everything be stopped to pay them off is just astounding. And it's as if you don't recognize the hypocrisy of this...

Cycloptichorn

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

That's because a gun is basically a dick emblem.

You fear and hate guns and guns are emblematic of "dicks," we can therefore assume you must really fear and hate the real thing.

Funny, I would have thought that if you feared and hated a phallus it would only be because it had a bend to the right. Now I see that you loath them all equally.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Saving a few jobs in various state government bureaucracies and hiring thousands of temporary workers for the periodic census does indeed help soothe the pain of our worst quarters following the onset of a recession, but it does not stimulate significant economic activity. Creating enormous new entitlements; sponsoring a diverse set of new anti business regulations; attempting to raise energy costs throughout the economy; and calling for tax increases on entrepreneurs, small businesses and S corporations; and badmouthing private enterprise in general - are all very effective ways to prolong the recession and prevent economic recovery. This is what the current administration has done.

Worse they don't acknowledge the obvious result of what they have done. Instead they fault the people for not adequately understanding their good intentions.

It seems to me that your highly selective reporting of facts indicates that you should be far more restrained in accusing others here of lies.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

plainoldme wrote:

That's because a gun is basically a dick emblem.

You fear and hate guns and guns are emblematic of "dicks," we can therefore assume you must really fear and hate the real thing.

Plenty of liberal women rear and avoid the real thing and they fear and avoid real conservative women that enjoy the real thing.

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