The new Republican House Majority

Paul Ryan, budget guy for the House Republicans, has released his budget proposal; and the long and short of it is that his plan is to save money by ending medicare as we know it.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/04/bring_on_the_bamboozlement_1.php

As this would be stunningly unpopular with the nation, the Republicans are going to have to lie the entire time to scare people into accepting it. I have little confidence that their plan will work and a lot of confidence that it will fail; this is basically the Medicare version of Bush's 'private SS accounts,' on steroids.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

You give Americans too much credit; they're the same people who advocate for no more taxes for the rich thereby increasing the national debt. The tea party wants to cut all social services leaving this country with a bare cupboard, but still paying for wars.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

You give Americans too much credit; they're the same people who advocate for no more taxes for the rich thereby increasing the national debt. The tea party wants to cut all social services leaving this country with a bare cupboard, but still paying for wars.

Sounds like a good idea to me
(tho I am in doubt of how much good the wars in Iraq n Afganistan r doing us).

David

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

You give Americans too much credit; they're the same people who advocate for no more taxes for the rich thereby increasing the national debt. The tea party wants to cut all social services leaving this country with a bare cupboard, but still paying for wars.

Polling shows that majorities support raising taxes before cutting medicare. In fact, I'm hard-pressed to find any polling that would support what the Republicans plan on doing.

And they know it. Ryan has admitted that this whole thing puts him and his party in an electoral bind.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

I recently saw a different polling where most Americans want to lower the national debt, and also do not want to pay more in taxes when food and fuel costs are increasing. Just don't ask me to produce that article, because I wouldn't know where to look. In defense of my memory, it's pretty reliable - most of the time. yuk, yuk, yuk...

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@cicerone imposter,

Not all americans CI, only the most stupid ones.

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Only the most stupid Americans continue to support Obama and his changes.

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

Only the most stupid Americans continue to support Obama and his changes.

SO STIPULATED.

David

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

Only the most stupid Americans continue to support Obama and his changes.

What change???... The most far reaching accomplishment of his administration to date has been the health care bill which changes little, and changes nothing enough... The insurance carriers are still there to prey upon the population, and public hospitals which are forced by their nature to serve people with or without insurance must still pass the cost on to those who can pay, which is the government, or the insured... They are espected to do more with less which means pressing workers to survive on less and still care for patients better than most patients have ever cared for themselves... Nothing has changed for the better... The change has been superficial at best...

It is like the story of Lincoln volunteering to shoot a family of skunks living under a hen house... After a gun shot, Lincoln returned... They asked if he killed them, an Lincoln said he'd shot one, but he had put up such a stink that he'd decided the let the rest go... It does not matter that many of the people squawking about the health care bill may be helped by it... Many people on this earth do not act in their ultimate best interest, and they often resent others pointing that fact out... As long as the right can be mobilized on the basis of denying to others needed care because in the view of the right, if they do not have it, then they do not deserve it, when behind it is the most blatent prejudice and biggotry born of racism, then real change is going to be denied to this people...

Most of the right are correct to see that if there is change that they will pay for it... Of rank and file reactionaries, this much is true, that they bear a burden of taxation because they are the few with any wealth left to tax who are not so rich that they can avert the hands of government from their loot... As long as they can get what they want by scaring the misinformed they will lead government instead of being lead by government...Mr. Obama is too scared to do anything big now... You have seen him shoot his bolt..

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@Fido,

waterboy and his family and friends are going to be cursing the GOP, because they are working to destroy Medicare to give bigger tax breaks to the rich and famous - from 35% to 25%. Their meme about transferring wealth from the rich to the poor is going to kill them; they won't have Medicare to take care of them and their families in old age.

It's almost funny!

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
You give Americans too much credit; they're the same people who advocate for no more taxes for the rich thereby increasing the national debt. The tea party wants to cut all social services leaving this country with a bare cupboard, but still paying for wars.
Sounds like a good idea to me
(tho I am in doubt of how much good the wars in Iraq n Afganistan r doing us).

David

What you should tell Cis is that Property rights are forever in conflict with civil rights... Long ago rights were defined as a property, but to have rights above and beyond civil rights by virtue of owning property brings about a situation, that we now have before us, of inalienable rights being made alienable and sold off from under the people so they may have their daily bread... Where property has rights, and inequality is fostered between citizens that inevitably destroys the democracy which is the political and social expression of economic equality...

We can take a lesson from Ancient Greece of the withering fire and contempt lavished upon democracy by the wealthy who found in it no good or utility simply because it was an impediment to their total exploitation of their fellow citizens... Look at the republicans... They hate democracy in the workplace though few have any experience of it... It is because in the workplace democracy cannot be so easily perverted and subverted as in our state and national governments by the corrosion of money...

Property, which means property owners, have the right to influence government for their benefit and the injury of the masses.... Why is it our states and federal government are broke??? It is because they do not tax the very people with the money to loan them, so that instead of paying their share they reap interest, and tax free interest at that which the people must pay to them... It is not simply unfair, but insane...

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If there is a shut down in government, it will not be the fault of the democrats or Obama as they have given in on cuts on the original proposal.

Quote:

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS:
But you know what the President says. He said it today in Philadelphia. He said it to you in the private meeting yesterday that the Democrats have given you as much-- as many cuts as you called for in your original proposal and you’ve got to find a way to declare victory and go home. Why don’t you do that?

SPEAKER BOEHNER:
We’re fighting for the largest cuts that we can, because it’ll help our economy. And--

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS:
But you called for $32 billion for cuts in your original proposal and now you’re at $33.

SPEAKER BOEHNER:
George, remember where all this started. The Democrats controlled the House last year, they controlled the Senate. Big majorities in both the House and Senate. And we had a Democrat in the White House. They should have done this budget last year. They couldn’t come to an agreement. And so, when they got to December, they punted-- and funded the government through March 4th. Now, we’ve kept the government open-- while cutting about $10 billion worth of spending. It’s-- it’s-- we’re cleaning up last
year’s mess.

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS:
Right. But when you came in this year, you proposed and your leadership proposed a bill that would cut about $32 billion and now you’re beyond that. I-- I-- why isn’t that good enough?

The tea party is now contolling BOEHNER as he even admitted later in the same interview.

Quote:

SPEAKER BOEHNER:
Listen, there’s no daylight between the Tea Party and me.

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS:
None?

SPEAKER BOEHNER:
None. What they want is they want us to cut spending. They want us to deal with this crushing debt that’s going to crush the future for our kids and grandkids. There’s no daylight there.

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS:
But there’s some of the most prominent members of the Tea Party caucus, Mike Pence of Indiana goes out and says, "If we have to shut it down, shut it down."

SPEAKER BOEHNER:
Well, Mike Pence stood up at our conference today and said, "Mr. Speaker, I’m with you."

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS:
He’s with you? Is that because you’re going to fight for the full $61 billion in cuts that’s unattainable. There has been some talk of about you want $40 billion. The Democrats say they can’t accept that.

SPEAKER BOEHNER:
We’re going to fight for the largest number of cuts that we can get.

source

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@revelette,

It looks like he is going to fight for the largest number he can't get so he can try to blame the democrats.

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@parados,

Give the democrats some well deserved credit, they have
worked really ******* hard to make this shut-down a reality.

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@H2O MAN,

Gee.. they gave the GOP $1 billion more than they asked for and now the GOP wants more? That doesn't look to me like the democrats are the problem.

If someone says they want $5 for an item and you offer them $6 would you think they were being fair if they then said they want $10? I know I wouldn't because they were already offered more than they wanted in the first place.

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@revelette,

They want to get the biggest cut, because they're planning to give the wealthy bigger tax cuts from 35% to 25%.

They're all sick in the head; they're going to destroy their own family members future by cutting Medicare, education, infrastructure, and other government services.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Paul Ryan, budget guy for the House Republicans, has released his budget proposal; and the long and short of it is that his plan is to save money by ending medicare as we know it.

Cycloptichorn

Obamacare isn't going to "bend the cost curve" as its Democrat apoligists deceitfully encouraged the public to believe. There isn't enough potential tax revenue available through increasing rates on high earners and corpoorations to pay the projected deficits of our emtitlement programs. The only escape from a financial collapse is in restructuring these programs. Unfortunately government "benefits" become a political addiction, creating well-organized highly motivated lobbies of beneficiaries who will risk everything to preserve what they have come to believe is their due.

The recent example of Portugual, which voted out a government attempting to cut costs to avert an imminent financial crisis (because it could no longer raise cash on the bond market) is illustrative. Now Portugual has thrown itself on the supposed good offices of the EU. When the Germans get tired of paying the bill, what will they do.

Unfortunately for us there is no one to bail us out.

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@georgeob1,

All true, georgeob, but we didn't arrive at this point in our financial crisis by democrats alone. This was the accumulation of past spending including the doubling of our deficit by GW Bush during his eight years in office.

Trying to make out the democrats as the bad guys who threw money at social programs doesn't cut it; GW Bush expanded was is called The Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act[1] (also called the Medicare Modernization Act or MMA), a federal law of the United States, enacted in 2003.[2] It produced the largest overhaul of Medicare in the public health program's 38-year history.

Good try, but no cupie doll for you!

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@cicerone imposter,

We are where we are, and must do what must be done. You are evading the point.

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@parados,

The dems take $1K of your money, give a dollar back to you and you are content, Gee... you're an idiot.

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