Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2011 12:53 pm
Part of the problem for modern Republicans is that their leaders are idiots. This isn't to say that the Republican party has no good ideas, or that their policies are without merit; but those who they have selected to be their leaders and spokesmen are not very capable of expressing themselves logically or rationally on a variety of issues.

Quote:
Rep. Steve King Boasts Of GOP Leaders' 'Mendacity'
Ryan J. Reilly | January 7, 2011, 9:35AM

Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) literally accused the Republican leadership of the House of being a bunch of big old liars on the floor of the House last night. But that isn't exactly what he meant.

During a rant on the floor of the House about health care, King used the world "mendacity" -- meaning untruthfulness -- where he likely meant the opposite.


"As I deliberate and I listen to the gentleman from Tennessee, I have to make a point that when you challenge the mendacity of the leader there is an opportunity to make a motion to take the gentleman's words down, however many of the members are off on other endeavors and the leader and the speaker have established their integrity in their mendacity for years in this Congress and I don't think it can be challenged and those who do so are making aspersions by making wild accusations," King said.
/quote]

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/rep-steve-king-accuses-gop-leaders-of-mendacity.php

Sheesh

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2011 01:11 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
That doesn't make any difference to the conservatives, because they follow lock-step with their leaders and their lies.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2011 11:06 am
Quote:
After House Vote, What's Next for Health Care Law Repeal?

By Chris Good Jan 19 2011, 6:30 PM ET

Probably nothing.

The House voted on repealing the health care overhaul tonight, and, with Republicans in the majority, there was little chance for Democrats to stop them. Repeal passed.

But, as has always been the case, Republicans even now stand little chance of actually repealing the 1,016-page law signed by President Obama in March.

In order for the health care law to be repealed, Obama would have to sign the Republicans' repeal legislation, a two-paragraph bill that strikes down the new law. There is no indication that Obama would sign it.

It's also unlikely that the Senate will ever vote on repeal. Democrats control the Senate and, along with it, which bills see the light of day. A Democratic Senate leadership aide confirmed today that there is zero chance Democratic leaders will call this bill up for a vote, ever.

So, legislatively, repeal will hit a dead end if it clears the House.

Politically, on the other hand...expect House Republicans to celebrate making good on a campaign promise to do all they could to repeal the bill. On Wednesday, the GOP's House campaign arm had already blasted an e-mail out to supporters saying "We Kept Our Promise" and raising money off tonight's vote. The liberal Public Campaign Action Fund, meanwhile, will release a TV ad attacking Republicans soon after the vote.

Health care can resurface as a campaign issue, both because 1) it's Obama's signature policy initiative, and he will have to defend it in the 2012 White House race, and 2) because if Republicans take the Senate and White House in 2012, it's possible they will repeal health care--that this bill will pass in the next Congress, and that a Republican president will sign it.

So, after tonight's vote, repeal will hit the back-burner in Congress, transferring all of its weight onto the platform of campaign politics.


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/01/after-house-vote-whats-next-for-health-care-law-repeal/69914/

Now that the symbolic bullshit is out of the way, will the Republicans pivot to actually governing the nation? Hard to say. There are no current bills in the books from them to address anything else and no announced plans to do anything else, other than 'investigate radical Islam.'

Cycloptichorn
OmSigDAVID
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2011 11:15 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Part of the problem for modern Republicans is that their leaders are idiots. This isn't to say that the Republican party has no good ideas, or that their policies are without merit; but those who they have selected to be their leaders and spokesmen are not very capable of expressing themselves logically or rationally on a variety of issues.

Cycloptichorn
How does that compare
to Ted K. drowning Mary Jo ?
Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2011 11:16 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Part of the problem for modern Republicans is that their leaders are idiots. This isn't to say that the Republican party has no good ideas, or that their policies are without merit; but those who they have selected to be their leaders and spokesmen are not very capable of expressing themselves logically or rationally on a variety of issues.

Cycloptichorn
How does that compare
to Ted K. drowning Mary Jo ?


There's no comparison at all, because the two issues are not related at all. It's just an attempt for you to switch from having to defend a sorry bunch, to attacking a dead guy. Because you feel you are on far firmer ground there.

Instead of attempting to change the subject - you can start your own thread about teddy k if you like - why don't you agree or disagree with the statement?

Cycloptichorn
OmSigDAVID
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2011 11:20 am

CORRECTION:
He did not drown her.

He suffocated her in her air pocket,
whose oxygen was exhausted while he
consulted his political experts, on the fone
from his hotel over night.





David
parados
 
  3  
Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2011 11:41 am
@OmSigDAVID,
CORRECTION:

David is using a red herring.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2011 11:46 am
Quote:
Why Today's Vote Matters

Nearly a year ago, after President Obama signed the Affordable Care Act into law, I recalled the story of Gary Rotzler and what happened to him in the early 1990s. He had a college degree and a life pulled straight out of a Norman Rockwell painting: He had married his high school sweetheart and, together with their three young children, they were living in a tiny village at the foot of the Catskill Mountains.

Then he lost his job, with its health benefits, and went uninsured for two years while getting by with a series of part-time, temporary jobs. By the time he'd gotten benefits, it was too late to treat his wife's breast cancer, which had gone undiagnosed and would soon take her life. But it was not too late to run up five-figure medical bills that forced Gary, the young widower, to declare bankruptcy.

Gary was just one of hundreds of people I've interviewed over the last decade, in my efforts to learn more about the health care system. And the best available estimates tell us that he's just one of millions who have suffered great financial or physical harm since then because he couldn't pay for basic medical care. Every other developed country on the planet protects its citizens from this sort of devastation. And thanks to the Affordable Care Act, the United States is on its way to joining them.

It still is, thankfully. Today's House vote to repeal the Affordable Care Act is merely symbolic. The Senate will almost certainly not pass it and, even if it did, the president surely would not sign it.

But symbolism matters. It sends a message about values. And so it's worth considering what values this generation of Republicans has decided to embrace.

Over the last year, the Republicans have spent a lot of time arguing that the Affordable Care Act will cost too much, that it will micromanage care, that it will burden business with taxes and bureaucracy. The most outrageous claims, like the notion of government-run "death panels," have zero basis in fact. And even the less explosive arguments frequently rely on flimsy evidence. But the most remarkable thing about the Republican campaign against health care reform is what the advocates of repeal haven't said.

They never bothered to engage with the fundamental moral logic behind the Affordable Care Act--that a modern society guarantees everybody access to doctors, hospitals, and the treatments they provide; that it's wrong to sit by and watch people give up their savings, or their lives, just because they happened to get sick. The more serious Republicans have some ideas, yes, but nothing that would come remotely close to insuring 30 million people or bolstering coverage for the people who have it.

As recently as the last major debate over health care reform, in the 1990s, there were prominent Republicans with sincere interest in helping the un- and underinsured. Even today, you can find conservatives who feel the same way or who, at the very least, are honestly convinced that fiscal constraints put those goals out of reach. But the Republicans in the House? The ones who'd gladly run up red ink to finance more tax cuts for the rich? If they care even a little bit about the human casualties of our health care system, they haven't bothered to show it.

In 1965, the House passed H.R. 1, a set of amendments to the Social Security Act that, when signed into law, created Medicare. The designation of the bill as the legislature's first order of business was no accident. President Lyndon Johnson and his allies understood that Medicare was a moral imperative--that extending insurance to the nation's seniors, thus sparing them the familiar indignities and financial deprivations of illness, was among the most important things they would ever do as lawmakers.

Today's vote to repeal the Affordable Care Act was H.R. 2. It, too, was a deliberate signal that the leadership considered this a top priority. All 244 House Republicans voted for it. But this was a bill to take insurance away from millions and to weaken it for millions more.

History remembers what happened in 1965. I hope it remembers what happened in 2011, as well.


http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cohn/81838/why-todays-vote-matters

Cycloptichorn
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OmSigDAVID
 
  -1  
Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2011 11:48 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Part of the problem for modern Republicans is that their leaders are idiots. This isn't to say that the Republican party has no good ideas, or that their policies are without merit; but those who they have selected to be their leaders and spokesmen are not very capable of expressing themselves logically or rationally on a variety of issues.

Cycloptichorn
How does that compare
to Ted K. drowning Mary Jo ?


There's no comparison at all, because the two issues are not related at all.

Instead of attempting to change the subject - you can start your own thread about teddy k if you like - why don't you agree or disagree with the statement?

Cycloptichorn
NO, no, no, Cy. U r not getting away with
this unless u admit that u were rong.

U complained that GOP leaders were "idiots".
Thay ARE related and there IS a comparison
insofar as the intelligence of political leadership,
unless u deny that Kennedy was a leader of the liberal Demos.

He hung out for hours n hours, all night,
on the fone from his hotel room
talking to his political advisors
and to his attorneys, while Mary Jo 's oxygen
was slowly being used up by her breathing it.
He did not care; he remained silent, in secrecy,
until the following day.

U rant that my
"spokesmen are not very capable
of expressing themselves logically or rationally. . ."
Did Kennedy express himself LOGICALLY or rationally while Mary Jo was breathing her last,
DESPERATELY sucking out the last possible molecules of oxygen
from her used up air??? Maybe she was distracted by how COLD the water was around her,
all those hours until she perished.

TELL us how smart and shrewd the liberal leadership was thru all of those hours.

Cyclo: please tell us how much BETTER than "idiots" Kennedy was
in his rescue efforts for his friend and supporter, Mary Jo.

Tell us how many of his political advisors
called 911 for Mary Jo before it was too late?





David
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2011 11:52 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I don't give a **** about your attempts to change the subject. If you can't stay on topic, I'll just ignore you.

As I said earlier - start your own thread about Kennedy if you want to discuss him. Your attempts to deflect discussion away from the idiocy of the chosen leaders of the Republican party has failed.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2011 11:56 am
Quote:
MAYBE THEY'LL GET TO JOBS EVENTUALLY.... John Boehner, back when he was the House Minority Leader, had a special fondness for asking, "Where are the jobs?" It was effective because it was easily the top issue on the minds of Americans.

Not surprisingly, job creation has been the dominant issue in recent years, and was largely responsible for Republican gains in the 2010 midterms. GOP leaders assured the country, vote for them, and they'll get to work on improving the economy.

What Republicans neglected to mention is that they have a few unrelated items they want to tackle first.

The initial priority for the new House GOP majority was, of course, gutting the health care system, despite the fact that their legislation has no chance at passing, and despite the fact that their proposal would hurt job creation. With that vote out of the way, Republicans are now moving on to their second major initiative.

House Republicans have introduced the first of, probably, many small pieces of legislation designed to pull apart the Affordable Care Act. This morning it was Rep. Chris Smith's (R-NJ) "No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act," HR3, a bill that pro-life Democrats have told me they can support.

"[The American people] spoke about this issue on America Speaking Out," said Speaker of the House John Boehner, explaining why the GOP was moving ahead on this part of the health care fight. "They spoke on this issue loudly and clearly."

This prompted the obvious questions: Wait, weren't you promising to focus on job creation?

Well, they were. Now that Boehner & Co. have some power, though, they prefer to focus on some of their other priorities, like abortion. What does abortion have to do with job creation? Nothing, but GOP priorities are apparently a little more fluid than they'd led voters to believe.

They're bound to start thinking about jobs eventually, right?

In March, Boehner asked, "When are we going to address the number one issue on the minds of our fellow citizens? When are we going to focus on the economy and getting people back to work?"

Funny, someone might want to ask Boehner the same thing.
—Steve Benen 12:30 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (8)


http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2011_01/027620.php

Cycloptichorn
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OmSigDAVID
 
  -1  
Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2011 11:57 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I don't give a **** about your attempts to change the subject. If you can't stay on topic, I'll just ignore you.

As I said earlier - start your own thread about Kennedy if you want to discuss him. Your attempts to deflect discussion away from the idiocy of the chosen leaders of the Republican party has failed.

Cycloptichorn
Relative INTELLIGENCE IS the topic of this thread, Cy.
U r just too yellow to debate it
and NOT honest enuf to admit it.

U wanna run away; u can 't.





David
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2011 11:58 am
@OmSigDAVID,
No, the topic of the thread is: 'The new Republican House Majority.' It's right there at the top.

If you can't stay on topic, then piss off, David.

Cycloptichorn
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2011 11:58 am

If u are NOT going to be HONEST, Cy,
then no one has any reason to believe what u say about anything.





David
0 Replies
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2011 12:03 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
No, the topic of the thread is: 'The new Republican House Majority.' It's right there at the top.

If you can't stay on topic, then piss off, David.

Cycloptichorn
Be damned, Cy.
U brought up the accusation that:
"Part of the problem for modern Republicans
is that their leaders are idiots."

THAT allegation turned the discussion
to one of RELATIVE intelligence,
compared to any idiocy of the liberals.





David
parados
 
  1  
Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2011 12:32 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
It's not just the leaders it appears. It's also their followers like David.
RABEL222
 
  1  
Reply Fri 21 Jan, 2011 10:52 am
@parados,
Their all mostly brain dead. But so, it seems, are most U.S. voters.
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Advocate
 
  1  
Reply Fri 21 Jan, 2011 10:57 am
There is no question that the Republican Party is the pollution party. It rejects the environmental science because it is in the pocket of the polluters. See the following.


Future At Risk

The first decade of the twenty-first century ended with the hottest and wettest year in recorded history, which also saw an extraordinary level of climate disasters like the catastrophic heat wave in Russia and the floods in Pakistan. This young year is already continuing the misery. Record-hot seas, warmed by billions of tons of greenhouse pollution from the burning of fossil fuels, are fueling catastrophic floods and storms around the planet. Global food and energy prices are rising as nations overwhelmed by disasters struggle with production, which threatens our economic recovery. In the United States, the blazing summer of 2010 is being followed by a harsh winter of extremes: record snowfalls, disastrous flooding, and record heat waves. Climate scientists first warned policymakers of the harsh consequences of dependence on the unconstrained abuse of coal and oil in the 1950s and 1960s, forecasting a future which is now our generation's reality. “The 2010 data confirm the Earth’s significant long-term warming trend,” confirmed the World Meteorological Organization Secretary-General Michel Jarraud. “The ten warmest years on record have all occurred since 1998.” With unabated pollution, climate disasters are poised to reach unimaginable levels of devastation in the coming years. The political climate in Washington, DC is not any brighter, as polluters have taken over of the halls of Congress. Lobbyists for carbon pollution interests have set up shop in the U.S. House of Representatives, and the Republican Party is dominated by politicians who paint global warming as a scientific conspiracy. Some Democrats have joined the Republican assault on President Barack Obama's efforts to turn back carbon pollution, arguing that the only way to preserve the American dream is to leave the coal and oil industries in control of our nation's energy destiny.


GLOBAL FLOODS: On Sunday, Pope Benedict XVI offered prayers for the international victims of catastrophic flooding. Australia is facing a "disaster of biblical proportions" after weeks of rain. "The extent of flooding being experienced by Queensland is unprecedented and requires a national and united response," Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard said. "Dozens of towns have been isolated or partially submerged” by Australia's extraordinary floods, which have killed at least 20 people and are now "flushing toxic, pesticide-laden sediment into the Great Barrier Reef, and could threaten fragile corals and marine life in the world’s largest living organism." The disaster "is costing Australia at least $3 billion in lost farming and coal exports." Elsewhere, extraordinary rains "have triggered widespread floods and mudslides" in Sri Lanka, killing 43 people and affecting millions more, prompting the United Nation to make a $51 million appeal for help. With heavy rains across southern Africa, "over 50 people have died in floods in South Africa and neighbouring Mozambique," and "Zimbabwean authorities have issued flood warnings for points in the south and west of the country." Continuous rains in the Philippines have killed at least 56 people and left hundreds of thousands of people "reeling." Extreme rains have caused “the worst natural disaster to hit Brazil in four decades," where the "death toll from flooding and mudslides near Rio de Janeiro" could approach 1,000 victims. "Heavy snow and rain in the U.S. Midwest" likely means record springtime floods. “Changes in Iowa’s weather patterns, landscape, cities and farms have rendered some of the state’s most trusted flood prevention safeguards outmoded and inadequate,” a review by The Des Moines Register shows. "This is no longer something that’s theory or conjecture or something that comes out of computer models," Dr. Richard Somerville, the Nobel-winning scientist who led the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report on the state of climate science in 2007, explained to ABC News. "We’re observing the climate changing. It’s real. It’s happening. It’s scientific fact."


POLLUTER TAKEOVER: The Republican surge into the halls of Congress during the 2010 elections was bankrolled by millions from right-wing coal and oil polluters like Koch Industries and Tesoro Oil that now expect a return on the investment. Conservatives have announced an ambitious agenda of deregulating the pollution that is killing Americans and threatening the planet. The incoming Republican chairs of crucial committees in the House of Representatives opposed the climate legislation supported by President Barack Obama, and now oppose limits on global warming pollution under the Clean Air Act. Their attack on public health is being led by Rep. Fred Upton (R-MI), once considered a “moderate on environmental issues,” but who has since worked hard to refashion himself as a hard-right defender of pollution as the incoming chairman of the House energy committee. To run his committee, Upton hired a slew of lobbyists, whose client rolls include fossil fuel interests and environmental criminals. These ex-lobbyists "met in a closed-door session Tuesday with energy industry interests to work on strategy to handcuff the Obama administration’s climate change agenda,” Politico reports. In the Senate, Sen. John Barrasso (R-WY) "will introduce sweeping legislation later this month to block the Obama administration and states from imposing climate rules." Also, "[a]t least 56 senators -- just four short of the 60 needed to overcome a filibuster -- will most likely support measures to hamstring climate rules, and an additional eight votes may be in play this Congress." Texas oil company Tesoro has launched a new campaign to vilify the Environmental Protection Agency's pollution rules as a "regulatory blizzard" and an "avalanche of regulations that will wipe out jobs." This attack on the EPA is being joined by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the American Farm Bureau, the American Petroleum Institute, Koch's Americans for Prosperity, and dozens of other right-wing front groups.

FIGHTING FOR THE FUTURE: Leadership that serves the American people and addresses climate change has not been abandoned entirely, however. "How many times do we have to be smacked in the face with factual evidence before we address global climate change? Report after report keep confirming it's getting worse every year," said Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) last week. The bipartisan presidential oil spill commission rebuked the "compromised" American Petroleum Insitute for being both the industry's standard-setter and political lobbyist. Rep. Jay Inslee (D-WA) is combatting the Republican agenda of "taxpayer subsidies for big polluters, less oversight of oil refineries and drilling rigs, and less protections for our health." Activists across the country are defending their air and water against newly elected Tea Party politicians. Climate scientists are fighting back as well, telling "Republican politicians to stop beating up on science and scientists." Thanks to the Recovery Act, Energy Secretary Steven Chu announced yesterday that more than 300,000 low-income homes have been weatherized. High-quality clean energy technologies, he stressed, are the "road to wealth creation in the United States." At a joint news conference with Chinese President Hu Jintao, President Barack Obama said the two countries -- the world's largest energy consumers and greenhouse polluters -- "have a responsibility to combat climate change … and showing the way to a clean energy future." Looking forward, Center for American Progress Senior Fellow Daniel Weiss writes that the State of the Union address next week "presents a golden opportunity for the president to contrast conservative opposition with his reaffirmation of the nation’s commitment to a clean energy future."

-- americanprogressaction.org
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Advocate
 
  1  
Reply Fri 21 Jan, 2011 11:28 am
Ryan’s Budget Plan: Millionaire Gain, Middle-Class Pain
by Mike Hall, Jan 20, 2011


If new House Budget Committee Chairman Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) gets everything on his budget-cutting wish list, it would be, says a new analysis from the Economic Policy Institute (EPI):

a massive transfer of wealth from the middle class to wealthy Americans and corporations and a wholesale dismantling of the social programs that all Americans rely on, including Medicare and Social Security.

Republican leaders are pushing to slash discretionary federal spending by 20 percent, including job-creating infrastructure programs, education, health, housing, workplace safety and other vital family support programs.

In “Paul Ryan’s Plan for Millionaires’ Gain and Middle-Class Pain,” EPI policy analyst Andrew Fieldhouse says Ryan’s road map is:

riddled with policies that ignore the lessons learned from the Great Depression and underscored by the Great Recession.…Ryan’s plan still swears by the failed Bush-era economic policies of cutting taxes for the wealthy while neglecting the middle class and national investments.


It even proposes the partial privatization of Social Security, an increase in taxes on the middle class, the elimination of corporate taxes and the privatization of Medicare.

The plan would raise taxes on most Americans earning less than $200,000 while cutting millionaires’ taxes in half. Fieldhouse says the wealthiest 0.1 percent of taxpayers—families making $3 million or more—would see an average yearly tax cut of $1.7 million.

In addition, the plan would replace the corporate income tax system with an 8.5 percent business consumption tax, which, Fieldhouse says, “would be passed on to consumers in the form of a value-added tax (that would fall most heavily on low- and middle-income people).”

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georgeob1
 
  1  
Reply Fri 21 Jan, 2011 11:54 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Now that the symbolic bullshit is out of the way, will the Republicans pivot to actually governing the nation? Hard to say. There are no current bills in the books from them to address anything else and no announced plans to do anything else, other than 'investigate radical Islam.'

Cycloptichorn

Actually there is quite a bit that was left undone by the last Congress (particularly the House). For example the government's budget for the current fiscal year, which is now 1/3rd over. The previous Congress deliberately delayed legislation so as to avoid facing the public with this one during the recent election. Now, after defeating a hurried attempt to pass an "omnibus" bill for every department of government in the lame duck session, the new Republican House must deal with it. It will be interesting to see what comes.

Meanwhile the Democrats in the Senate are preparing to delay and evade issues like the health care bill repeal sent to them by the House. It appears the role of "party of no and obstructionism" has shifted. However I'm conficent the hypocrisy of the Democrats will be adequate for the occasion.
 

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