Should able2know ban people for having untoward opinions?

@OCCOM BILL,

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The well run bar will let people be people to the extent they treat each other with at least a minimum level of decency; but will always have mechanisms to take out the trash. The regular who occasionally crosses the line will be forgiven. The asshole who habitually crosses the line will be sanctioned first and eventually barred from admittance if he proves incapable of adjusting his behavior to something above the minimum standard.

See... I keep coming back to this. There's just something about thinking of humans as trash that tends to send me off the deep end. I find your treatment of folks you disagree with much more offensive than I find their treatment of others. There have been rare occasions when I think posters have crossed the line with respect to human decency -- possum bringing up Debra Law's son's issues in an attempt to attack her was one such case. But he and his many, many alters get banned. Billrm has been recently called out for his post to BBB. Hopefully he takes Rob's post to heart. Your attack on him accomplished nothing. Your message didn't get through because you were trying to beat it into him. You deemed him to be trash - not worthy of a human conversation. I think you're wrong to do that and you're wrong in thinking it's helping anyone.

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@NoOne phil,

There might even be some "forever" stamps in the machine as well. I think we put those in when the philosophy forum merged.

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@spendius,

It's the number of thumbs up you've gotten (including 1 for your own post) minus the number of thumbs down you've gotten. It's green if you've thumbed it up and red if you've thumbed it down but are looking at it anyway.

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@parados,

Now your breaking my heart. forever, something one only dreams of.

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@ehBeth,

Playing the role of white knight is not the problem. Bad discussions become exacerbated when neither side knows when to quit. Whether you are playing the role of white knight, voice of reason, devil's advocate, troll, etc. the situation only becomes exacerbated when you don't know when to quit.

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@wandeljw,

I went into bat for Georgebob the other day but only because I knew he was being attacked as he was, which I won't repeat, in a manner he couldn't very well answer back to. And the attack implicated a large number of other people.

It wasn't any knight thing at all. There was a principle involved and an important one.

The police here keep a distance from what they call a "domestic" unless it gets too serious.

But a one-sided vituperation of what somebody has done should have somebody at least putting in a word for the absent party. Usually a bloke. And especially when some sympathisers come in using the case to castigate men in general. Or, occasionally, the other way round.

It's a question of judgment when to offer advice and how to. There's no black and white in it.

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No. It's easier to just not post on a thread where people "have untoward opinions." They may grow to like the negative attention.

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@JPB,

JPB wrote:

See... I keep coming back to this. There's just something about thinking of humans as trash that tends to send me off the deep end. I find your treatment of folks you disagree with much more offensive than I find their treatment of others.

Well said.

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@JPB,

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But he and his many, many alters get banned.

Do they?

Bill was using a metaphor, you don't have to jump on him for 'thinking of humans as trash.' I doubt he does.

Cycloptichorn

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@NoOne phil,

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I seriously need a wife.

If that's true and it's also true that you lost your way in the 60s it's obvious you don't know how to go about the job of getting one. Hence you need advice. I usually advise men of your age to forget it despite a pal of mine in the pub expressing the same need regularly.

And to get advice on A2K you need to provide some details about yourself.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

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But he and his many, many alters get banned.

Do they?

http://able2know.org/topic/163156-5#post-4392790

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Bill was using a metaphor, you don't have to jump on him for 'thinking of humans as trash.' I doubt he does.

I don't.

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@Thomas,

I will admit, however, that I was surprised when Robert said that he gets contacted regarding Bill and his interactions more than he gets contacted about the "trolls" that Bill is hoping to evict. It all sounds kinda "run to daddy-ish" and I don't think of doing that about either side.

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@JPB,

Aw, I don't think that's fair. I don't think somebody who thought so lowly of people would go out of their way to consistently argue for the rights of everybody, even those who don't have legal standing in our society. It was, without a doubt, Bill's argumentation that caused me to re-examine and soften my stance against illegal immigration, and to this day I'm thankful that he took the time to engage me and challenge my preconceptions.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Bill was using a metaphor, you don't have to jump on him for 'thinking of humans as trash.' I doubt he does.

Suggesting to people that they go kill themselves goes way beyond wordcraft. And by Bill's own admission, he has done that many times. Suggestions of this nature are inconsistent with his use of the term "trash" being 'just a metaphor', and consistent with JPB's apparent view that he actually does believe that's what those people are. Hence, what you call JPB's "jumping on him" addressed the reality of his posts. You may have a problem with it (as do JPB and me) or not (as do you). But it's definitely real.

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@Thomas,

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Suggesting to people that they go kill themselves goes way beyond wordcraft. And by Bill's own admission, he has done that many times. Suggestions of this nature are inconsistent with his use of the term "trash" being 'just a metaphor', and consistent with JPB's apparent view that he actually does believe this is what those people are.

Does that logically follow? I don't know that suggesting that someone go kill themselves is consistent with an overall opinion that people are 'trash.'

I've handed out my fair share of insults here, though I can't remember telling someone to off themselves. I guess I've told people that they wouldn't be missed. But I don't think that's indicative of an overall disdain for humanity or even certain parts of it.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

It's a particular hot button of mine. I'm as likely to jump on someone for calling people "trash" as Bill is for seeing someone support what he perceives as abuse.

Spendi --- from your post above... going to bat for someone and browbeating folks repeatedly with said bat are two different things. This is where JW's point of knowing when to leave well enough alone comes in to play. Bill has entered into my field of rage so it's time for me to depart this thread. I've said enough to make my point anyway.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Does that logically follow? I don't know that suggesting that someone go kill themselves is consistent with an overall opinion that people are 'trash.'

Not people overall, but the people you're suggesting it to. Yes, that does logically follow. If you don't see how, perhaps you want to pay closer attention to what you're suggesting to people in the future. (And by "you" I mean the generic "you"--not necessarily you in particular.)

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@JPB,

In my experience the number of thumbs up is equal to the number of thumbs down.

Let me get the easy bit straight. On your screen you have a green thumb up and on mine you don't.

Do you mean that when people read a post they either thumb it up or down or abstain. I wouldn't dream of doing that. So I abstain by default.

Does the number only apply to that post. What's the reason? Is it to express a deep-seated desire for hierarchy?

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@JPB,

You will be missed.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

In my experience the number of thumbs up is equal to the number of thumbs down.

Let me get the easy bit straight. On your screen you have a green thumb up and on mine you don't.

Do you mean that when people read a post they either thumb it up or down or abstain. I wouldn't dream of doing that. So I abstain by default.

Does the number only apply to that post. What's the reason? Is it to express a deep-seated desire for hierarchy?

It's part of the self-moderation system - if you don't want to read someone's post, you thumb it down and it disappears. If you want others to know you thought it was good, you thumb it up. Enough thumbs-up and it gets featured on the front page of a topic.

Cycloptichorn

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