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I am early voting today.

 
 
Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2010 04:32 pm
For Democrat Bill White, for starters.
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djjd62
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2010 04:34 pm
i always vote in the first poll i can get to, our county politics make it really easy, the send us postage paid mail in ballots, i filled mine in and returned it the day it arrived
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2010 04:52 pm
@djjd62,
I have to pay my own postage. Still, it's cheaper than gas. Since I am voting for the projected losers, it seems a bit futile.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2010 06:12 pm
You have to follow your conscience.
Fido
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2010 06:22 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

I have to pay my own postage. Still, it's cheaper than gas. Since I am voting for the projected losers, it seems a bit futile.
You are voting for yourself, and you are a loser, and it is futile; but as long as it is presented to you as a choice, you think you have a choice... Rejoice, rejoice, you have no choice... Do they ever allow you to vote on anything if they can help it??? I mean, if Mr. Obama wanted off from under he could have put some proposals before the whole nation: Here, you pick one, or pick none... No; the last thing they want you to think is that you might be smart enough to decide some questions for your self... So we are stuck with a repesentative democracy that is less representative than it was two hundred years ago when no major river in America was bridged... Now we have the internet and less influence in government than our empoverished ancestors... Why is it, when we can support thousands working for the house of reps, that we can't have thousands of representatives... You can get a whole stadium of people to agree on who's the better team, at least for a day; but we have to settle for a couple of hundred reps when they have all these aids and attorneys and admen telling them which way to go... Where is our influence... What influence does one out of 600k citizens have on a representative... I would rather have a big influence on a rep elected as our first reps, with 30k votes than no influence on a 600k rep... That is my feeling... If I have to deal with representative democracy that is stone age at best, totally unresponsive at worst; I want a chance to have my rep vote my concerns, and it would be nice to know the guy and have the guy know me... Is it really possible for a rep to know the half of his divided district that elects him???
Fido
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2010 06:23 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

You have to follow your conscience.

That leaves me out... All I have is an empty bank account to follow down the toilet if government gets any worse...
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2010 06:44 pm
My ballot has none of the props we hear about on TV, like the drainage project, for instance. Must be, none of it directly involves Tomball. I thought we were voting on red light cameras, but apparently only Houston proper. There was one Green candidate in all and four or five races had just one name to consider.
Fido
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2010 06:52 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

My ballot has none of the props we hear about on TV, like the drainage project, for instance. Must be, none of it directly involves Tomball. I thought we were voting on red light cameras, but apparently only Houston proper. There was one Green candidate in all and four or five races had just one name to consider.

Most politicians have more brains than Salmon... They alway go with the flow and never swim up stream...
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2010 06:54 pm
@Fido,
I vote for the lesser evil. I have no illusions about who really controls things.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2010 07:00 pm
@edgarblythe,
I have always voted for the lesser of two evils. Back in the abuzz days, I was upbraided by the bigger, more active right there who suggested that I was evil or incomplete for not voting for someone.

Let's face it: who can vote for a flawed fellow human being? Best to hold one's nose and vote against the obvious criminal, crackpot, dangerous lunatic or witch.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2010 07:36 pm
I have never been comfortable with any president in my memory. I have liked a few state politicians, such as Ann Richards and Lloyd Benson. And I am intrigued by Al Franken, who appears to be working as hard as he can. Paul Tsonga impressed me. Kucinich. The list is meager.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2010 07:45 pm
@edgarblythe,
I liked the late Michigan Senator Philip HArt. He and his wife Jane were Quakerly sorts.

I agree that Al Franken is probably the hardest working man in the Senate.

People in MA did not want Ted Kennedy to run for president because they would be without his hard work in the Senate.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2010 07:48 pm
I didn't mention Ted, but I would have voted for him. I would have voted for brother Bobby, but he was more of an unknown quantity.
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Fido
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2010 06:40 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

I vote for the lesser evil. I have no illusions about who really controls things.

You are voting for complacency, which in the face of a failed form of government is the greater evil... All that is keeping that garbage standing is our faith in it... Pull that out, and you have pulled out the essential part, our lives... Time to evacuate... Let it fall on the ignorant, and those trying to suck every last ounce of meaning from it...Time to start over...
parados
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2010 07:11 am
@Fido,
So are you proposing an armed insurrection Fido? Or are you just spouting stuff that has no meaning?
BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2010 11:08 am
@edgarblythe,
I liked Paul Tsonga and did a lot of research on him. Sad that he died so young. I like Al Frankin very much.

My ballot went in the mail last week.

BBB
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2010 11:11 am
@Fido,
Fido, are you a member of a militia?

BBB
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2010 12:06 pm
I have considered that my vote is a waste of time any number of times. Unfortunately, there is no organization with my views that has a chance of fielding any viable candidates. So, my vote is just aimed at slowing the process, not reversing it. The few good men out there haven't a chance of getting elected. Look at Kucinich, for instance. Everybody considers him great, but their votes go elsewhere.
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Fido
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2010 02:41 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

So are you proposing an armed insurrection Fido? Or are you just spouting stuff that has no meaning?

I never justify violence personally or politically... All forms, and it does not matter if we are talking marriage, or governments are only as healthy as the relationship they structure... If I was married to some one who was continually distorting the form so it would mean what ever they wanted it to mean, other relationships, me doing all and them doing nothing; then I would say the form was robbed of its meaning.... All that makes forms real is the faith people put into them, and the faith has about run out of our form of government... When we wave the flag and say the pledge and sing the anthem; we still want it to mean something, but it means no more than our failed dreams mean... No matter how much hope we blow into it we will find it flat when we need it most... We might say our system of government has served the rich, but if it kills all of us whe can say they benefit??? We see where in Rome and Greece, to mention two ancient examples, the rich won against the poor, and all together lost... Rather than change their form which had changed in spite of no agreement as to the direction of change, they considered change impossible because it was inconceivable... All people need to do is learn what they are dealing with... Thomas Jefferson had formal cosciousness, and mentions forms in the declaration of independence, and he is correct that people should not and do not change their forms for light and transient causes... And yet; ALL of human history has been the history of changing forms...

As difficult as it may seem, it must often be done, and those forms which have become intractable, impossible to change, are those most in need of change... The parties, as an extraconstitutional arm of government have divided the people in order to hold the people powerless in their own lives while government does as it decides to do... The government deprived of the wisdom of the people must suffer the leadership of the rich who see all through a veil of money... This is not a path to success, but is the dead end of failure looming before us; and the evidence is everywhere... So; time to start writing a new constitution, and for beginning the debate about what government should do, what powers it should have, and for what purpose it is created... The Preamble is good enough as written...All that follows needs a serious look...
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Fido
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2010 02:51 pm
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:

Fido, are you a member of a militia?

BBB

Not at all, and if it comes to that we are finished... We have the numbers maybe, but they have the guns and technology... They cannot do anything without our participation... If we disenthrall ourselves, and resist the government, then that is enough... No one should give them an excuse to shoot....They will shoot, and to preserve what they have taken from the commonwealth, they will shoot first, and worse.... So, no one should invite violence... They are ready and willing... INstead, invite reason... Whether they will admit it or not; this society does not work any better, or offer any more security to the rich than it does to the poor, nor are they more happy than us... Failed forms, even when they seem to be working for one group are really depriving all people of meaning... We should be a nation... We are not... We are one class feeding and another fed... We are one class giving and one taking... We are not one people but so many victims, and unity has eluded us...
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