I believe that I stated that there were several B vitamins and that ALL are contained in meat.
The panoptics of B vitamins can only be provided by some meat intake...
which I took to mean that some meat intake was necessary (since you assert "only") to get all of your B vitamins since this was a part of a post where you were talking about a "balanced diet" and the implication was that omnivores were capable of this in a way that vegans were not.
The truth is that a vegan has full access to all nutrients necessary for a balanced diet.
the issue has morphed into a dietary "Which is denser" meat or soybean meal.
I don't agree that this is what it has morphed into. The larger topic of a vegan diet is in now way confined to soy.
Thomas seems to be someone who can live on soybean meal. I cannot. In fact, if youve ever tasted soybean meal its really vile ****.
It's good enough for the cows, pigs, and chickens. I don't think Thomas is eating the meal by itself.
SOybeans, although an ancient crop, have not really been exploited for mass feeding until after WWII. The crop has turned into an interesting industry that relies on High uses of chemicals (that mot vegans seem to wish to avoid), Large scale ag practices (like huge pieces of ag equipment, and fertilizers (even though its a legume, we need fertilizer to get the seed started and growing).
Meat has been raised on a "boutique" basis for eons.
And has until recent human history been a very small portion of the human diet. It has long been a luxury item. I think the annual amount of meat consumed is something like 45lbs? Are you going to tell me that humans have been eating 45lbs of meat for "eons?" No. Meat is not a necessary part of a balanced diet.
I dont like ANY industrial farming pravtice , so I grow grass fed animals and thats a low intensity activity.
Good on ya.
We tried soybens and never EVER realized a profit over costs because we dont have enough land to spread out the unit costs (such as rental of custom sombining services).
Many ag activities require "one time" charges for equip or activity scheduling or special inoculants etc which have license fees.
Then don't grow soy beans.
To claim that you get everything you need from soy, may be ok if taste is unimportant and when eating is merely some clinical activity.
One, who has claimed this? Two, why do you assume taste is unimportant to vegans and vegetarians? For that matter, why assume that given the option, people instantly gravitate towards meat? Shewolfnm, aidan, and a few others dropped in at the beginning of the thread and voiced that they prefer vegetables even though they still eat meat. I think you assume too much about what people value here. I am no less satisfied with my food, why should I?
Meat is still my chosen form of dieatry fats, protein and vitamins. oybeans, in order to be processed into meal or extracting wheys, require steam processing in **** like HEXANE.
Have you ever ate edamame? JTT beat me to the punch on that one.
If I were to grow soybeans again, Id like to follow, ton for ton, what happens to my crop. Im sure most of it goes to make paints .
So then, if you are comparing the impact of one diet vice another, it seems disingenuous to hold the portion of the crop that goes to a completely different part of society.
These things (paints, oils, etc) should be talked about, but they should be talked about in reference to their alternatives.
If the soy crops were reduced to the size such that it was only going towards foodstuffs, what kind of reduction would you see in pollution? What increase in sustainability? These are fair questions, but you seem to want to drive a knife in the heart of a crop for all its uses when I am simply discussing one use of it: Food for humans.
I got a package of processed soy bean patties. and the ingredients read like a FRANKENFOOD script.
No more than any other food FM.
SInce soybeans are perhaps the most processed and genetically modified food stuff, Im a little coinfused as to why some of the vegans here have chosen their particular lifestyle.
One, organic options exist and are very popular. Two, soy is not the flagship of a vegan lifestyle/diet. Since we started this thread talking about the products designed to mimic animal products, you should have noted that many people weren't a huge fan. I don't eat them that often. They don't replace meat, meat didn't need to be replaced. That's the point.
Are soybeans environmentally responsible? Hell no
Is eating a cow that was already fed these beans?
You seem dead set on focusing on the worst possible example of soy farming and comparing it to the best possible means of animal farming. Do you think that's fair?
Are soybeans free of Genetic modification-DOUBLE HELL NO because over 85% of soybeans in thne US and Argentian and Brazil are genetically modified (Roundup ready)
So I don't eat GE soybeans from Monsanto crops.
Are soybeans free of xchemical processing? NO NO, unless you consider Hexane, benzene, and chlorinated solvents as a foodstuff
So I don't eat GE soybeans from Monsanto crops.
Are soybeans able to be eaten in a manner thats unprocessed? HARDLY (Ive only seen soy sprouts once and, if ya want to eat the beans in a responsible fshion, you houl eat lupinis or lima beans, they are waay easier to grow and harvest.
Then I eat edamame, or for that matter, just eat a different plant. I'm not hard up for choices. Black beans, lentils, quinoa, etc. I'm not a soytarian. Soy is not the base of my diet. Chances are, if you eat animal products, you're eating a lot more soy than I am.