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If you are a low/no meat eater, how do you feel about meat imitations?

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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 08:12 pm
@Thomas,
Try Almond paste too - it's divine!
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I have actually gone the other way around. I never was a big meat eater, just
didn't like it, but ever since I started exercising more I also started craving
meat. Give me a juicy steak with a salad any day over tofu and any other
substitutes.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 08:13 pm
@Thomas,
Quote:
Peter Singer's books Practical Ethics, The Ethics of What we Eat, and Animal Liberation have convinced me that raising animals for meat in factory farms is unconscionable.


Does he mention "grass fed meat at all"? not only is it conscionable, its the only way you can eat some vegetation.

Remind me, next time we get together. Im gonna bring along a nice big bale of hay for you to eat (You can take as much home in a doggie bag as you wish).
As I recall, you had a burger and I had a tuney fish sammich on Coal Region toast (burnt)
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 08:15 pm
@Thomas,
I go to Indian restaurants and I enjoy their philosophy of food. Meat is used as a flavoring for savory and spicy dishes.
They have many good veggie dishes and their idea is VARIETY so that the different flavors and textures and colors dont bore me.
Even Tandoori chicken is mostly veggies with small chunks of chicken
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 08:15 pm
@farmerman,
Yeah, and he ate a schnitzel when he was out here.... all that tofu baloney must be a recent fad.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 08:19 pm
@farmerman,
Humboldt county was quite a home of happy dairy cows and grass fed beef when I was there.
(sigh)

I have liked Singer, haven't read him in a while.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 08:21 pm
@ossobuco,
Grass fed meats, I need to know whats the problem with that among all these "high moral standards veggiematarians"
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 08:28 pm
@farmerman,
Me too. But some people don't like the taste, cjhsa, if I remember.

Well, that's on the taste side. Others don't want to use animals, an involved conversation.

Some of the best food(s) I ever bought were from the Eureka Co op. Fresh wild salmon, fresh crab (better at the pier but not by much), grass fed beef, on and on. Weeps, I was so spoiled. Last I looked, salmon good there this year.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 08:35 pm
@ossobuco,
Oh, I prefer grain finished beef, its so much more unlean and marbled. However, the argument has been forwarded that many of the posters only think that grain is involved (which can better be used to feed humans directky). Grass, on the other hand, is not eaten by humans at all and much of the beef is grazed on open range or land that is marginal for plant crops. Instead its used for pasture and roughage . The economics of the anti meaties seems to leave out the role of range feeding and pasture and hays.
Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 08:41 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Quote:
Peter Singer's books Practical Ethics, The Ethics of What we Eat, and Animal Liberation have convinced me that raising animals for meat in factory farms is unconscionable.


Does he mention "grass fed meat at all"? not only is it conscionable, its the only way you can eat some vegetation.

Grass is not the issue for Singer. His issue is animal suffering. If the cattle has a decent life before you slaughter it, Singer doesn't have a major problem with your eating its meat. It's the industrialized meat factories that average steaks are made in that Singer has a problem with. I agree, even if I'm sometimes inconsequent about what I do about it.

Farmerman wrote:
As I recall, you had a burger and I had a tuney fish sammich on Coal Region toast (burnt)

Quite possible. I also had a Sauerbraten at a German restaurant in Boston two weeks ago. We all do things that we know are wrong sometimes.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 08:43 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
Grass, on the other hand, is not eaten by humans at all and much of the beef is grazed on open range or land that is marginal for plant crops.


Just think how many humans could be grazed on a field that cattle now occupy, Farmer. At 1 to 2 % body weight/feed consumption per day, many more humans could be fed.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 08:44 pm
@JTT,
You first. I want to see how you enjoy the taste of open range.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 08:49 pm
@farmerman,
I'd answer you, Farmer, if I could get my tongue out of my cheek.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 08:54 pm
@Thomas,
Quote:
the cattle has a decent life before you slaughter it,


'cattle' is always a plural noun, Thomas.
Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 08:55 pm
@CalamityJane,
CalamityJane wrote:
Yeah, and he ate a schnitzel when he was out here.... all that tofu baloney must be a recent fad.

I never claimed I have turned vegetarian. All I claimed is that I have "severely reduced my intake of meat", and I have. I rarely eat it outside of special occasions, and meeting fellow A2Kers is a special occasion to me. I don't understand what this gotcha-playing is about. But if it entertains you guys, have at it!
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 08:56 pm
@farmerman,
Not my expertise, but I think that all worked in Humboldt County when I was there, or so I heard. Don't trust me.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 08:57 pm
@Thomas,
Which is how I remember Singer..
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 09:01 pm
@CalamityJane,
Quote:
all that tofu baloney must be a recent fad.
And I notice his famous Thomasian sense of humor is dissipating by all that vegetative gravitas. He just might as well join in the philosophy phorums and be done with it.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 09:02 pm
@farmerman,
Oh, NO!
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Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 09:04 pm
@farmerman,
What do humor and gravitas have to do with it? All I posted this evening is that almond yogurt tastes good. And it does!
Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 09:05 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
'cattle' is always a plural noun, Thomas.

Prescriptionist pig!

(Thanks for the correction, though.)
 

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