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On the wings of a snow-white dove

 
 
Ceili
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2010 09:53 pm
Finn, I give up. You can view me through your jaundiced eye. I don't care. You don't sway me, or anyone else it seems and that must be frustrating. I try not to hate people, actions yes, but people as a whole - or as a group, no.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2010 11:10 pm
@Ceili,
Finn's hi-speed whack a mole double talk worked on you, eh, Ceili? Too bad, you'd have had him on the mat in no time, squealing uncle.
Ceili
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2010 11:41 pm
@JTT,
No, I'm just tired. I drove to Calgary and back and I'm not in the mood to battle shadows. Maybe later.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2010 02:26 pm
@Ceili,
I don't particpate in a forum that is (roughly) 80% left-wing to "sway" anyone and so I am never frustrated (here).

If you wish to break off our discussion, for any reason, so be it.

I hope you will understand that I view your exit from the debate differently than do you.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2010 07:05 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I have the feeling Ceili could care less about your view. 80% left-wing, hey? It is to laugh.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2010 05:32 pm
@plainoldme,
I thought you were an English teacher?

Surely you don't mean she could care less.

In any case, whatever she thinks, I really couldn't care less what you think.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2010 06:20 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
I thought you were an English teacher?

Surely you don't mean she could care less.

In any case, whatever she thinks, I really couldn't care less what you think.


Typically Finn. Just repeat the same old nonsense without thinking things through.

English teachers aren't any different than other people. They are fully entitled to use natural idioms of the English language.
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Ceili
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2010 02:11 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn, this is how I see it, in a nutshell.

I was in Ireland last year. I took a lot of walks with my uncle, a very wise, well traveled, educated man. He's a very respected man who has made a very comfortable life for his family in an area that is rather inhospitable at times. He has many friends and business associates on either side of the divide, if you will.
Before you think I'm fixated on Ireland, let me explain.
We discussed the violence that had been a predominant force in his life. I found it shocking. I don't come from an area that is without its own troubles but nothing on the level they endured. There are areas in Canada with the same basic genetic make up of N. Ireland, same religious differences but not anywhere near the same murder or crime rate. So what is the difference?
It's an acceptance of violence. In one place it's de rigeuer, in another, it's greeted with appropriate horror.
So maybe burning a Koran isn't a crime against humanity, but it can quickly go that route.
Americans have a long history of eating their own. A knack of building people up and tearing them down, or just kicking them down. You have a history of hating and you haven't learned from your past.
The U.S. is often portrayed as a melting pot, but one gets the message that if you don't quite fit in, you're either the pot or the stew. Your politicians have for a very long time preached from bully pulpits about true americans, hard working, god fearing, red blooded americans.
And yet, if you were an indian, a black slave or a commie or a hippie or a vietnam vet or a brown guy in arizona or a muslim just about anywhere or a japanese fisherman during the war or a 2nd generation immigrant wop off the boat, or the returning heros from an ongoing war, that come home, not to open arms but homeless shelters, if you're left or you're right, you some how never measure up.
You live in a divided state, a country of two divides. A two party state that seems to never agree on anything but how much they can **** the other party over. You hate the blue states, or the red ones and somehow the 'other' never measure up either. You produce enough guns per annum to pretty much arm the world because you don't trust your neighbours or your government or anybody really. Any you have some of the highest murder rates in the world. You hate criminals and you kill 'em and yet, those states have the worst crime records of them all. You hate the poor, homeless, welfare, single mothers, and the sick and dying. You'd rather people suffer and go bankrupt than follow the example of the vast majority of the world and reduce yourselves to being called socialists. I shudder.
Weird since you all profess to live in the best country in the world.
God Blesses the USA and all that, and you really do, live in a great place but...
You all seem so grumpy, paranoid...
As a people you seem terrified of and a little shaky when it comes to the isms. Socialism, communism, fascism, Muslims, Hinduism, Judaism, Catholicism, atheism, environmentalism, feminism blah, blah, blah.
You preach the separation of church and state and yet, if your president doesn't go to church you get your selves in a tizzy.
Instead of building an appropriate monument to the victims of 911 or doing something constructive to stop the violence, thousands of angry hateful people picket a proposed place of worship, and not just in NY, it's happening all across the States. Have any of these people done anything to prod action or pay for a memorial. Nope, probably not, but they can act like buffoons toward their fellow citizens. Question their red blooded americaness... Thank god for the American constitution.
I'm not sure you or I or anybody can pinpoint the number of "jihadists" in the world. I can tell you that it's probably a very small minority. I can tell you that it's probably a growing movement, with every imagined and/or real slight they feel they've been put upon. I can tell you that some of their complaints are justified. I can also tell you that all "jihadists" do not speak for all muslims and that not all "jihadists" are suicide bombers. But they are an angry lot too. Just like y'all. Their message started out on bully pulpits too.
Just like, not all "koran burners" speak for all americans, and all "koran burners" are capable of violence, but... and I stress, not all people that hear the message are pussycats. You only have to look at your own history to see that ugly ideas can become a reality. Need I remind you of the Alfred P. Murrah building or lynchings?


As far as Left and Right.... I'm not an Ayn Randian. While those ideas are a favourite compunction in the USA, or at least the moneyed set, most of the worlds other democracies don't consider themselves communists either. In other words, in most places, I wouldn't be considered a lefty. You're welcome to judge me otherwise though, you do that well.




Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2010 09:14 am
@Ceili,
Quote:

You all seem so grumpy, paranoid...
As a people you seem terrified of and a little shaky when it comes to the isms. Socialism, communism, fascism, Muslims, Hinduism, Judaism, Catholicism, atheism, environmentalism, feminism blah, blah, blah.


Not all of us, Ceili.

Cycloptichorn
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2010 09:36 am
@Ceili,
{thunderous applause}
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djjd62
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2010 09:40 am
@Ceili,
well said
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JPB
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2010 09:44 am
@Ceili,
Well said, Ceili.
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djjd62
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2010 09:50 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:

You all seem so grumpy, paranoid...
As a people you seem terrified of and a little shaky when it comes to the isms. Socialism, communism, fascism, Muslims, Hinduism, Judaism, Catholicism, atheism, environmentalism, feminism blah, blah, blah.


Not all of us, Ceili.

Cycloptichorn


i get not all of you think like that, but that passage in Ceili's post resonated with me as well, it does seem to sum up the American psyche as seen from the outside
Diane
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2010 02:27 pm
@Ceili,
Thank you, Ceili. Well said.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2010 02:38 pm
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:
it does seem to sum up the American psyche as seen from the outside


Indeed. Thanks, Ceili.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2010 04:02 pm
Hear that? Can anyone hear those faint cries?

It sounds like a little puppy whining, it sounds like "uncle, uncle".

Where could it be coming from?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2010 07:16 pm
@Ceili,
Excellent, excellent post. Much insight and wisdom is evident in that post.
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Eva
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2010 07:22 pm
@Ceili,
<APPLAUSE!>
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2010 07:33 pm
I know what Pogo said, anybody else????
Intrepid
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2010 07:41 pm
@glitterbag,
Pogo was correct.
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