On the wings of a snow-white dove

@dyslexia,

dyslexia wrote:

I'm thinking I'm not hearing enough "christians" condemn the koran burning, I believe that means "christians" support the koran burning.

C'mon Dys. Just because you don't think enough people are condemning this act it doesn't mean they support it. Quite honestly, right now, you seem to be trying to stir up anger against the Christians, which is no different than those "christians" trying to stir up anger with the Muslims.

Two wrongs aren't going to make a right.

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@Arella Mae,

actually dingbat, I'm using satire (re-phrasing) comments I heard repeated endlessly about muslims. It's not my problem that you can't grasp satire.

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@dyslexia,

I'm thinking that mainstream "christians" need to prevent this act from happening or they're all equally culpable. Speaking out against it isn't enough! They must prevent the extremism or forever live with the rath that follows.

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@JPB,

exactly.

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@dyslexia,

dyslexia wrote:

actually dingbat, I'm using satire (re-phrasing) comments I heard repeated endlessly about muslims. It's not my problem that you can't grasp satire.

Wow, excuse me for making a mistake. I don't see that it's any kind of topic to make light of in any way and truly wouldn't have expected it from you.

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@Arella Mae,

Then, you don't have a clue about him.

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@Arella Mae,

Dingbat.

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That was a most enlightening clip, Walter!

I have believed all along that this has very little to do with Muslims or Korans or Christianity for that matter. Jones is just a small-time loudmouth that has hit upon an idea that could give him big-time publicity. He's a wannabe. He'll be as extreme as it takes to stay in the spotlight. So the best thing everyone can do is ignore him so he'll go away. (And/or self-destruct.) To that end, I have nothing more to say on this subject.

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@dyslexia,

I do not know you well enough to know when you are being sattirical unless it is blatantly obvious as it has been on other threads. This is a very serious issue and not one that I thought you would be making light of. It seems that people are rather upset about this issue, with good cause. You can call me a dingbat if you so wish. Doesn't make it so.

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@Arella Mae,

when I still had a farm I had a large sign on my barn, it read;
TRESPASSERS WILL BE EATEN

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@dyslexia,

I am sorry that I misunderstood your post. I'm guessing you didn't have too many trespassers?

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@Arella Mae,

I never went hungry.

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@Arella Mae,

Arella Mae wrote:

I am not going to get into a big debate with you about this. It's not the topic of the thread.

Well, you're the one who brought up this preacher's Christian bona fides, so you must think it has something to do with the topic of this thread. And I happen to agree with you. I just happen to think that he's being far more faithful to the bible's injunctions than you give him credit for.

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@joefromchicago,

joefromchicago wrote:

Arella Mae wrote:
I am not going to get into a big debate with you about this. It's not the topic of the thread.

Well, you're the one who brought up this preacher's Christian bona fides, so you must think it has something to do with the topic of this thread. And I happen to agree with you. I just happen to think that he's being far more faithful to the bible's injunctions than you give him credit for.

Not according to the New Testament as I understand it, Joe. Jesus said love our enemies and pray for them. He didn't say a thing about doing something that is going to provoke them to anger. And, did you read the article about that pastor today? I am trying to find it on the net again but haven't yet. It seems this Pastor was put out of another church for spending church money for his own use. I read it at work and I'll post the link as soon as I find it.

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Okay, I just found something and I don't know what to think. I haven't found that other article but it seems Pastor Jones was arrested last night (I think) for having child pornography? I clicked on a few of the nbc.com links but it keeps saying forbidden. But here is one link:

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-479636?ref=feeds%2Flatest

You think this is legit?

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@Arella Mae,

probably not legit.

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@dyslexia,

Well, it's making me wonder about that article I read today. It was someone from the church he had founded but since I can't find it it's probably not true either.

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@Arella Mae,

Arella Mae wrote:

Not according to the New Testament as I understand it, Joe.

That wasn't the claim you started out with. The claim you started out with was "absolutely no Biblical basis". That's very different from the position you've now retreated to, "according to the New Testament as I understand it". Like it or not, the Old Testament is part of the Bible, too. And it abounds with cruelty and bloodthirst of Israelites toward nonbelievers. And it isn't as if God ever opposes his Chosen People's atrocities. To the contrary, there even is a passage where he explicitly supports them in committing a genocide against the innocent people of Jericho. (At least the Bible reports nothing these people had done wrong.)

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@Thomas,

There is no biblical basis Thomas as far as I can find in either Old or New Testament. God did tell people in the Old Testament to go conquer and the bible explains why God had them do it. God has never condoned anyone just going out there killing for no reason nor trying to provoke people to anger. I was thinking specifically about Jesus saying love your enemies as a verse that definitely refutes what Pastor Jones is doing. I am sorry I wasn't more clear.

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@JPB,

I'm thinking that mainstream "christians" need to prevent this act from happening or they're all equally culpable. Speaking out against it isn't enough! They must prevent the extremism or forever live with the rath that follows.

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I fall into that trap often. There are many acts performed by "Christians" that seem very un christ like to me. But, who am I to judge? We have freedom in this country, freedom to burn books and piss others off. I do wonder why some Christian leaders don't speak out against poor behavior in the name of Christ. Their silence seems like tacit approval. They seem very quick with the forgiveness stick with their own, and a bit slow with others.

Equally culpable seems a bit over the top though. How would you suggest they prevent this behavior?

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