what is the beggining of philosophy?

You provide a simplistic answer where the problems are complex. If you know anything about the American position on the Afghanistan war, you would understand a little about how complex this issue is. Look what happened when the UK got involved in the US war in Iraq. No simple answers there, either.

I also agree that our country is the worst terrorist of our time; we had no business going to war in Iraq on the basis of lies that GW Bush and his gang perpetrated against the world and congress. I do not believe for a moment that the US congress believed it wasn't the right action to take based on the lies they were told by GW Bush administration. Who would have believed that the president and everybody involved in his administration would lie?

What we have done in Iraq is the biggest terrorist activity of modern times.

Fido, You must learn about the real world; no politician or government does all the rights things for their citizens, and we're talking about countries where the people select them through their votes.

I'm always frustrated with how our government makes decisions that are destructive to our country, not only domestically but internationally. I voted for Obama, but if I knew how he would increase our deficit with sloppy spending, I would never have voted for him. He's accomplished most of what he promised during his campaign, but he also lied about transparency and helping wall street more than main street where the jobs are needed.

His bailout of car companies, banks and finance companies, is unfair to "all" Americans. As I've mentioned many times before, the bailout of banks and finance companies were necessary to rescue our economy, but he was sloppy in how he gave out those monies. That's not good management of our money.

Will I vote for Obama again? Depends on who runs against him, and what their message and past history is concerning issues that are important to me.

I want smaller government, more stimulus spending towards infrastructure; roads, bridges, transportation, and communication, and a better handle on how the money is spent to minimize waste. Our country needs jobs; fighting wars half way across the world is not our 100% responsibility; that belongs to the world community if they have any interest in defeating terrorists.

Many people around the world see us as imperialist pigs and occupiers where we don't belong. It creates more hatred and animosity against us.

Even our local and state governments struggle with their annual budgets while tax revenue continues to drop. That's because our domestic economy isn't being helped by our governments; they do most things half-ass backwards.

When I served on the grand jury in Santa Clara County in 2003-2004, we told the city councils and the county supervisors that they were spending too much on safety officer pay and benefits. They didn't listen, and now they are going to include it in our next election to give local governments more control over their pay and benefits - especially their retirement benefit which they earn after 30 years service at 90% of the highest pay. Most of these people get more benefit during their retirement years than when they worked. The potential taxpayers will be paying on their benefit is from 50 years old to about 80 years old - or more than the 30 years they have worked. Most now earn over six figures in wages. Most workers work much longer at less pay, and they don't get 90% retirement pay. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it's not only unfair to taxpayers, but local governments need to cut back on on other essential services. When they were recently asked to take a 8.25% pay cut to save 65 firemen's jobs, they said no. That's unmitigated greed; they don't give a **** about our safety.

Hi CI!

I think we all know it wasn't JUST about oil.
What about the corporations that provide arms, medical supplies, uniforms, food, etc to the forces involved? This is a trillion dollar a day industry. If you know that a war is on the cards, you invest a few million in the right places under the appropriate proxys and the sun shines forever.
No need to though when you have your fingers in all the right pies.

One may even use their STUPID son as a presidential scapegoat, in case all goes wrong.

As long as the war machine keeps turning, the unemployment levels fall, industry produces, the public are happy to back the ruling party (on anything) and the honour levels go through the roof - providing a patriotic afterbreath that continues the saga from generation to generation.

Business as usual! Don't you agree?

Mark...

The divine Donatien Alphonse François, marquis de Sade has some good stuff on war profiteers Mark. And he doesn't portray them in a particularly pleasant light.

But you need an alternative. There are a number to choose from. You departing for the hills to live a hermit's life is one of them. Distance yourself from it all.

That only works for a few individuals I think. That's not the alternative I would choose. We made this form real.

My opinion would be to know that you could be wrong. What is your opinion?

These words just do not seem to go to gather very well do they? [ know] that you could be [wrong]

reasoning logic wrote:

My opinion would be to know that you could be wrong. What is your opinion?

These words just do not seem to go to gather very well do they? [ know] that you could be [wrong]

the want to get to the truth

the want to be wise

north wrote:

reasoning logic wrote:

My opinion would be to know that you could be wrong. What is your opinion?

These words just do not seem to go to gather very well do they? [ know] that you could be [wrong]

the want to get to the truth

the want to be wise

Truth is an illusion and wisdom is vanity...

How about some science so that we can all understand this?