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Was it a war crime when US nuked Hiroshima & Nagasaki?

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 12:01 pm
All of this from a puling hypocrite who states that he has put me on ignore because i was discourteous to him. Yet I'mSickDavid continues to hammer the term "Jap," despite knowing full well that it is offensive to C.I. This is a definite case of do as i say, not as i do.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 12:02 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
David wrote:
Quote:
I have never borne ill will against the Japs.


He continues to use this word in vain even after learning that the word is offensive. He has no "logic."
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 12:04 pm
He likewise lacks decency.
High Seas
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 12:08 pm
@Setanta,
Guys - having met David I can assure you he's a gentleman of the most punctilious decency and honor. He DOES tend to lexicographical eccentricity - nothing more than that should be read into his comments.

He spells funny, too, but that goes with the lexicographic eccentricity - he cannot, and does not, intend to offend CI or anyone else. Calm down!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 12:26 pm
@High Seas,
High Seas, You can defend David to the death, but he's still offensive. Your trying to justify his offense shows me you are incapable of good judgment.

All my siblings are christians, but I tell them they are wrong to discriminate against gays and lesbians. They tell me "they love homosexuals, but their behavior is immoral."

They can try to defend what they say and do based on their religious beliefs, but I will continue to challenge their homophobia.
High Seas
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 12:29 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

High Seas, You can defend David to the death, but he's still offensive. Your trying to justify his offense shows me you are incapable of good judgment.

Nonsense - what's this "to the death" business? I'm not defending anybody, just stating facts known to me (and NOT to YOU, btw) beyond doubt.

If YOU want to engage in some fantasy involving YOUR good judgement, go right ahead, nobody here is stopping you. These operatic references to death have got to stop, though - or just plain leave unrelated parties out of your confused constructs. Thank you.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 12:30 pm
@High Seas,
What fantasy are you talking about? Please identify them for me?
Also, your facts are tainted; he's still offensive, and you're trying to tell us he's a "good guy."
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 12:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

David wrote:
Quote:
I have never borne ill will against the Japs.


He continues to use this word in vain even after learning
that the word is offensive. He has no "logic."

Your allegation is factual error; I did not learn
what u claim that I learned.

I rejected your allegation.



Your protestations to the contrary
have no effect upon the actual facts.


David
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 12:48 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
It's not our fault that after telling you it's offensive by third party articles and from the very person you offended, you continue to use that word. Bonehead fits you very well.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 12:59 pm
re:David.

Language is shared communication. A word does not mean what you unilaterally decide it means. It only has meaning in a shared context. In particular, "Jap" is a pejorative abbreviation. Go to dictionary.com, look at the various definitions of the word and notice that is offensive and derogatory. You cannot unilaterally decide it is only a connotationless abbreviation. Language does not work that way. If you use it, you are being offensive. If you persist in using it, after having been told and given a means of verifying that it is offensive, then you are being intentionally offensive. Which seems to be something you glory in. Sad.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 01:06 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Quote:
It's not our fault that after telling you it's offensive by third party articles
and from the very person you offended, you continue to use that word.

U are falling into irrational behavior.
If u wish to convince me to your point of vu,
u better come up with a logical reason.

I am skeptical as to whether that is possible
because abbreviation is not an offense,
no matter how redundantly repetitive u are in your semi-hysterical insistence that it IS.


Quote:
Bonehead fits you very well.

At SOME point, redundantly going around in circles
that we have already gone around in becomes enuf.

I hope that I can rely upon u not to pull the bone out of my head.





David
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 01:10 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Not my task to pull any "bone out of your head." It's an adjective with meaning that you seem ignorant of. Not my problem to teach or convince you of anything beyond what has already been said.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 01:19 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

re:David.
Quote:

Language is shared communication. A word does not mean what you unilaterally decide it means.
It only has meaning in a shared context. In particular, "Jap"
is a pejorative abbreviation. Go to dictionary.com, look at the
various definitions of the word and notice that is offensive and derogatory.

OK, hot-shot: if u are so sure of your facts,
then please enlighten me as to WHAT it is of a derogatory nature that "Jap" means ??
Does it mean dishonest ?
Does it mean stupid ?
Does it mean lazy ?
Does it mean stingy ?
No one has ever told me that it means ANY of those things.

I know for a fact
that "Jap" is an abbreviation for "Japanese", neither less nor more;
WHAT do U claim that it means which is "derogatory" as u put it ??





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 01:25 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Not my task to pull any "bone out of your head."
It's an adjective with meaning that you seem ignorant of.

Everyone 's head is supposed to have a bone in it.
If it does not, then it looks much worse.

Are u implying that u do not have a bone in your head ??





Quote:

Not my problem to teach or convince you of anything beyond what has already been said.

It was YOUR idea.
U are the one who chose to begin discussing bones in heads, not me.





David
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 01:34 pm
David, and "nigger" is an anglicization of the Spanish "negro", which as you are no doubt aware means "black". Only a color, right? Yet it is still offensive. Use it at your peril around someone who is an African-American. Tell them it's only a synonym for "black" and see how far that gets you. If you get your ass stomped it might perhaps be an object lesson for you that language is a shared action, it has a social context, particularly insults. Your "logic" should tell you that, unless you really like being considered a total asshole, you consider that context before you misuse a word, and before you gratuitously keep using a word that people have told you, and given you evidence, is insulting. Words do not connote only what you unilaterally decide they do. (And, incidentally, "bonehead" means a head of solid bone instead of "brain and bone". It does seem applicable)
High Seas
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 01:40 pm
@MontereyJack,
All this PC talk will not induce David to change his ideas on spelling or abbreviations, so can we please get back to the point of this thread: no Japanese person objects to being called "Jap", but very many of them object to having had nukes dropped on their heads. The 2 are not even remotely comparable, IMHO, so I don't see the point of continuing this digression.

I know I've seen boutiques of Japanese designers called "Jungle Jap"; they're doing brisk business, too! Here's a sign, for those who don't know about boutiques:
Quote:
KENZO - JUNGLE JAP

(1940) Kenzo Takada studied art and fashion in his native Japan. After school he designed patterns and did designs for a Tokyo department store. He moved to Paris in 1965, where he did freelance design work for 5 years.

In 1970, Kenzo opened Jungle Jap, a boutique in which he sold his designs. The store was a big success and Kenzo went on to open a larger boutique in 1972.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 01:40 pm
@MontereyJack,
Thank you, MJ. And a belated thanks to Set.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 01:45 pm
@High Seas,
Oh, I see; it's now about "nukes being dropped on our heads." How asinine! I agreed with Truman's use of the a-bomb on Japan. Also, Japanese-Americans volunteered from concentrations camps to serve in the US military.

You now want to talk about PC? Very funny. It's about offensive use of words.

You and David fit the same mold; ignorant and socially dumb-asses.

High Seas
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 02:00 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

.............. Also, Japanese-Americans volunteered from concentrations camps to serve in the US military.

YOU cicerone, are the ignorant one here. YOU are addressing persons YOU know NOTHING about with absurdities, irrelevancies, and PC nonsense. If you want to go that idiotic route, you will lose - and btw, you were not at Gen. Shinseki's retirement ceremony in DC, and I know because I was there. Stop posting on this thread with your insults before you get booted from this site yet again, a frequent occurence in your past history - now I can see exactly why. Good bye.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 02:03 pm
@High Seas,
Go back to why I wrote that piece. Which route are "you" talking about? We've been talking about the offensive use of words. I hope your "goodbye" is permanent.
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