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Was it a war crime when US nuked Hiroshima & Nagasaki?

 
 
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2005 07:46 pm
Me too.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2005 08:11 pm
Me too, but a comparison of horses to humans on Memorial Day Weekend, please. In a few hours I will be trading a few emails with some Viet Nam era GIs, shall I ask them what they think about the comparison?

Set, what do you think about the contention that Union soldiers did not fire at horses?

Joe(I think my nerves are as raw as the meat in a butcher's window)Nation
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2005 08:16 pm
Oh, and the Russian linguists I hung out with way back when used to talk about the Russian Calvary charging the German Panzers... No, huh?
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2005 08:29 pm
I don't value horses over men, but I value horses. And rail when they die in masses from man's repeated waves of valor..
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2005 08:39 pm
Joe Nation wrote:
Me too, but a comparison of horses to humans on Memorial Day Weekend, please. In a few hours I will be trading a few emails with some Viet Nam era GIs, shall I ask them what they think about the comparison?

Set, what do you think about the contention that Union soldiers did not fire at horses?

Joe(I think my nerves are as raw as the meat in a butcher's window)Nation


I know of few examples of cavalry charging infantry in that war in which it were not a case of the infantry scattering. Only a very few cavalry charges took place. The only notable example if know of in which infantry resisted a cavalry charge was during the battle of Stones River/Murphreesboro, when George Thomas' field police, the 11th Indiana Volunteers, formed "repel cavalry" and stopped the attack of Joe Wheeler's cavalry, which threatened to take Rosecrans' army in rear, and scatter them. On most occassions, cavalry dimounted and fought on foot, even when fighting one another.

The Poles certainly used cavalry against the Germans, and the Russians may well have done the same. You'll note that i referred to the Canadians in Moreuil Wood as conducting the last successful cavalry charge in history.

If you wish to persist in the dull-witted judeo-christian superiority complex with regard to animals, you just help yourself, but don't try to come all over with me with moral self-righteousness. The human race can likely never repay dogs and horses for all they've done for us; were i confronted with saving the life of a man and that of a dog, i'd be hard pressed to decide. You tell your buddies just whatever the hell you want, and you tell them that a veteran who served from 1970 to 1973 said as much.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2005 08:40 pm
I've owned plenty of horses (a damn sight too many) I've known plenty of men (women too). I wouldn't give a plugged nickel for either. Now a good mule is a good mule and a good dog is even better.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2005 08:46 pm
I don't know about a "plug nickel" for a woman, but to each our own. LOL
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pragmatic
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2005 08:51 pm
dyslexia wrote:
Now a good mule is a good mule and a good dog is even better.


Would you say that all dogs are good? This is coming from a dog lover so you better be careful what you say :wink:
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2005 09:14 pm
Just to jump in here - there are far more bad dog owners than bad dogs, IMO.
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pragmatic
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2005 09:17 pm
timberlandko wrote:
Just to jump in here - there are far more bad dog owners than bad dogs, IMO.


I don't know about the amount, but I do know that some dog owners do not treat their dogs well at all. Some get abandoned - one was actually thrown out of a speeding car (I started crying so hard when I was reading that in an article) and ther was another whose collar had been put on it ever since it was a puppy, the effing owners neglected to look after it, so that the collar grew into the dog's neck. Tragic, tragic.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2005 09:32 pm
I hear ya, pragmatic. Here at Castle Timber, we do foster care for dogs - we rehabillitate critters the area humane societies consider unadoptable; abused and/or abandoned and totally unaccepting of humans and other critters. We have lotsa dogs, lotsa humans, lotsa land, lotsa other critters, and lotsa patience - we work with a pup 'till its ready to be a valued member of somebody else's family. Its pretty gratifying.
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pragmatic
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2005 09:32 pm
I wish I was there as well, Timber. Just reading your post brings a tear to my eye.
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Xavier
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2005 01:17 am
It was a crime as it is a crime to slaughter human beings in Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama, Grenada, Korea, Viet Nam, Lybia, Palestine, etc...
As a Christian, I am for peace.
Regards
Xavier
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2005 04:53 am
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If you wish to persist in the dull-witted judeo-christian superiority complex with regard to animals, you just help yourself, but don't try to come all over with me with moral self-righteousness. The human race can likely never repay dogs and horses for all they've done for us; were i confronted with saving the life of a man and that of a dog, i'd be hard pressed to decide. You tell your buddies just whatever the hell you want, and you tell them that a veteran who served from 1970 to 1973 said as much.


Yes, well, that is me all over. Dull witted, judeo -- uh...uh, well certainly part of it suits me.

It's no wonder I fit in so well.

Joe(Making sure there is no dog in the water when I'm drowning.)Nation
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2005 07:08 am
You're a fit Boss . . . ain't you just so simon pure . . .
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Morphling89
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2005 02:46 pm
I don't really have time to reply to people on these boards. I'm quite busy. The real reason I posted here and dug up this thread was because I got it from a google search while studying for a WWII project in which there is a mock trial of Truman. I've gotten alot of stuff together (I'm part of the prosecution trying to try him as a war criminal), but I still have one question that I haven't been able to find an answer too:

1. Was it understood that the atomic bomb released radioactivity?

2. Was the destructive nature of radiaoctivity understood by scientists?

Because if so, I have verifyable grounds to prove the use (not the ownership) of an atomic bomb was illegal due to the Hague Convension and the Kellogg-Briand Pact.

Please get back to me.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2005 02:50 pm
Morph, Welcome to a2k. The reasoning of it's illegality is moot; most countries were working to develop the atomic bomb. Most, if not all, knew the potential release of radioactive fallout. Just so happened the US completed it first, and used it against an enemy that attacked the US first. The actual war criminals are Japan and Germany, and that's already been decided by a world court. You're about a half century too late.
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Morphling89
 
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Reply Tue 31 May, 2005 12:09 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Morph, Welcome to a2k. The reasoning of it's illegality is moot; most countries were working to develop the atomic bomb. Most, if not all, knew the potential release of radioactive fallout. Just so happened the US completed it first, and used it against an enemy that attacked the US first. The actual war criminals are Japan and Germany, and that's already been decided by a world court. You're about a half century too late.


Yeah, I'm sure the winners would declare themselves war criminals Rolling Eyes

If Japan had won, US would be the war criminals. Simple as that.

Besides, you seem to forget. This is a mock trial. The point is not who is actually guilty or not. The point is to debate your side. We're lawyers after all. Razz
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HofT
 
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Reply Tue 31 May, 2005 05:43 am
Morphling89 wrote:
I don't really have time to reply to people on these boards. I'm quite busy. The real reason I posted here and dug up this thread was because I got it from a google search while studying for a WWII project in which there is a mock trial of Truman. I've gotten alot of stuff together (I'm part of the prosecution trying to try him as a war criminal), but I still have one question that I haven't been able to find an answer too:

1. Was it understood that the atomic bomb released radioactivity?

2. Was the destructive nature of radiaoctivity understood by scientists?

Because if so, I have verifyable grounds to prove the use (not the ownership) of an atomic bomb was illegal due to the Hague Convension and the Kellogg-Briand Pact.

Please get back to me.


Morphling - if you're proposing to write a credible legal brief you want to make sure legal terms like "verifiable" and "convention" are spelled correctly; perhaps you're attending an overseas school and not writing in English?

For the rest, do a search for "Curie", "Roentgen" and "Becquerel" - radioactivity had been understood for decades before the Japan bombs were dropped.
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Morphling89
 
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Reply Tue 31 May, 2005 06:54 pm
HofT wrote:
Morphling89 wrote:
I don't really have time to reply to people on these boards. I'm quite busy. The real reason I posted here and dug up this thread was because I got it from a google search while studying for a WWII project in which there is a mock trial of Truman. I've gotten alot of stuff together (I'm part of the prosecution trying to try him as a war criminal), but I still have one question that I haven't been able to find an answer too:

1. Was it understood that the atomic bomb released radioactivity?

2. Was the destructive nature of radiaoctivity understood by scientists?

Because if so, I have verifyable grounds to prove the use (not the ownership) of an atomic bomb was illegal due to the Hague Convension and the Kellogg-Briand Pact.

Please get back to me.


Morphling - if you're proposing to write a credible legal brief you want to make sure legal terms like "verifiable" and "convention" are spelled correctly; perhaps you're attending an overseas school and not writing in English?

For the rest, do a search for "Curie", "Roentgen" and "Becquerel" - radioactivity had been understood for decades before the Japan bombs were dropped.


Thank you. About my spelling, I relize it's horrible, but it's only for High school and the actual papers are read aloud during trial, rather than turned in and checked by a teacher, and spellcheck does the trick. I'm just kind of busy right now to spellcheck my posts.

Thanks for the help.
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