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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2014 01:21 pm
@izzythepush,
Having questions about the length of US sentences for the crimes of CP that is share with the majority of US federal judges and having problems with a police method that is likely in my opinion to results in false charges is not supporting paedophiles whether they are powerful or not powerful paedphiles.

You must think that most of your own lawmakers in the UK are in fact supporters of paedophiles or are paedophileas themselves by your same logic if we could called it logic that you keep trying to used on me.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2014 01:26 pm
@firefly,
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It's revolting when those charged with upholding the laws, for the protection of children, are then accused of violating them.
Considering that they went all the way down to fourth degree I think it safe to assume that this was a victimless crime, that the basis for the charge is that the state denies the younger participant the right to consent.

EDIT: i find it very annoying the the state will make a big PR push using the labels abuser and victim but will not tell us enough about what happened so that we can make our own evaluation. We are supposed to trust that the state is acting justly and in our interests. Hell no.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2014 01:27 pm
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North Texas judge's sentence, comments in case of teen's rape spur outrage
by TANYA EISERER and CARLA WADE
May 3, 2014

DALLAS — A Dallas County district judge has ignited a firestorm of criticism and drawn national ire after she publicly implied a rape victim was promiscuous and was not "the victim she claimed to be."

The comments made by State District Judge Jeanine Howard to The Dallas Morning News angered the Dallas County District Attorney’s Office, the victim’s family and advocates for sexual assault victims. The judge is also being criticized for giving the admitted rapist probation, for initially ordering that he do community service at a rape crisis center and for not making him subject to standard sex offender rules and regulations, such as that he have no contact with minors.

“We’re certainly disappointed with the statements that the judge made because of the message that it sends to victims and potential victims,” said Andrea Moseley, a high-ranking Dallas County prosecutor. “The truth is that he admitted that he sexually assaulted her, that she did not give consent, that she said 'no' and we certainly believe that no means no in these cases.”

She said she’s spoken to the victim’s family and “they’re hurt and they’re concerned to make sure that the truth is out there and obviously the victim feels like her reputation has been damaged.”

News 8 spoke with the victim Friday afternoon. She is now 17-years-old and will graduate from high school next year. She disputed many of the judge's assertions about her past.

“I have never been pregnant ever," she said. “And three partners? I don’t even know where she got this. I feel like this was her way of trying to make herself feel better.”

The victim said she was starting to come to terms with the rape and the decision to come forward and prosecute her attacker, until she heard about the judge’s comments in the newspaper.

“It was a slap in the face,” she said. “I thought I was going to get help. I thought that it would be taken care of, and I wouldn’t have to worry about it anymore.”

The judge refused to comment to News 8. She removed herself from the case Friday and the case has been assigned to a different court. Prosecutors also filed a motion Friday asking that the new judge overseeing the case order 20-year-old Sir Young to follow the standard requirements for a sex offender – some of which are legally required.

Last week, Young pleaded guilty to the October 2011 rape of a 14-year-old girl in a practice room at Booker T. Washington High School, where they were both students. Howard sentenced him to five years of deferred adjudication probation, which would leave him without a conviction if he successfully completes it.

But, it was another unheard of condition that she imposed that initially shocked rape advocates. Howard ordered Young to serve “250 hours of community service at a rape crisis center” last week. The judge changed the probation condition after the Dallas Area Rape Crisis Center said he wasn’t welcome there.

According to court documents, the judge originally made Young subject to standard sex offender conditions. Those conditions include refraining from contact with children, going though sex offender treatment, undergoing a sex offender evaluation and taking annual polygraph exams.

On Wednesday, however, Howard reversed course and decided that Young didn't have to be subject to those conditions – something that no one can ever recall happening in a case involving an admitted rapist.

“The two goals of probation are protecting the community and rehabilitating the offender," Moseley said. "And the judge in this case chose to put him on probation and didn’t do what's going to be necessary in our view to protect the community and rehabilitate the offender."

Prosecutors are most concerned that the judge didn't order Young to stay away from children, particularly given the age of the victim at the time of the rape. She was 14.

In explaining her decision-making to the Morning News, Howard said the girl texted Young asking him to meet her and she agreed to have sex with him, but didn’t want to do so at school. She also said the girl had several sexual partners and had given birth to a child. She also added that Young’s age at the time of the offense played into her decision. He was 18.

“She wasn’t the victim she claimed to be,” the judge told the newspaper. “He is not your typical sex offender.”

Bobby Villareal, executive director of the Dallas Area Rape Crisis Center, was appalled by Howard’s comments and says justice wasn’t served.

“This is an example of why people don’t come forward and report their sexual assaults because they are not only victimized at the time but the continuing game of shame and blame,” Villareal said. “They are put on trial again in the judiciary and the media. The things that were said were outrageous and some of them were actually untrue that were reported.”

Moseley echoed Villareal’s sentiments.

“Consent is not an issue and it wasn’t an issue because he admitted he didn’t have her consent,” the prosecutor said. “When consent is not an issue, a victim’s past is never appropriate for comment. That’s my problem with it as a woman and as a prosecutor. I was certainly disappointed in the message I think it sends to the community.”

Howard also defended her decision to give Young probation.

“There are rape cases that deserve 20 years,” Howard told the newspaper. “Every now and then you have one of those that deserve probation. This is one of those and I stand by it.”

Howard is a Democrat. She doesn't have an opponent for the November election.

Young is currently in the Dallas County jail serving a 45-day jail sentence, another of the conditions that Howard imposed. He also must serve two days in jail every October 4 — the anniversary of the rape — while he’s on probation.
http://www.wcnc.com/news/national/257792991.html
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2014 01:41 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Considering that they went all the way down to fourth degree I think it safe to assume that this was a victimless crime...

No, it's not safe to make that assumption--or to generally assume that sexual assaults of minors by adults are "victimless".

The state is not denying " the younger participant the right to consent"--the laws place restrictions on the conduct of others with regard to that minor. And, in this instance, the person charged was well aware he was violating those laws.

You simply have a rather cavalier attitude toward pedophilia and sexual predators.
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EDIT: i find it very annoying the the state will make a big PR push using the labels abuser and victim but will not tell us enough about what happened so that we can make our own evaluation. We are supposed to trust that the state is acting justly and in our interests. Hell no.

The charges, and the evidence to support them, are presented in open public courtrooms. Go sit in the courtroom if you're that interested.






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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2014 01:53 pm
@hawkeye10,
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We know that when women see opportunity they make false accusations against men for sexual wrongs...

And we know that, when some men see the opportunity, they rape women and then claim the sex was "consensual".

What else is new?

The fact remains that quite real crimes of sexual assault/rape occur all the time, and BillRM's personal obsessive preoccupation with "false allegations" does not distract from, or diminish, that fact.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2014 07:22 pm
@firefly,
well hell, if the purpose of the courts is to give victims what they want why do we even need judges?
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2014 07:43 pm
@hawkeye10,
Is that non sequitur supposed to make sense?

You're so full of hot air it seems to have fogged up your brain.

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2014 07:59 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Is that non sequitur supposed to make sense?

You're so full of hot air it seems to have fogged up your brain.


it was supposed to follow your post, but I did not push submit this morning. This increasing tendency of victims to claim that justice was not done because they did not get what they want needs to end. Justice is about balancing what victims want with what is best for society and what is fair to the convicted.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2014 08:27 pm
@hawkeye10,
I still don't know which case you are referring to. All you seem to be doing is pontificating
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This increasing tendency of victims to claim that justice was not done because they did not get what they want needs to end.

Are you suggesting limiting their right to free speech, and preventing them from voicing their opinions? Rolling Eyes






hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2014 10:18 pm
@firefly,
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Are you suggesting limiting their right to free speech, and preventing them from voicing their opinions?

as I explained, I am suggesting that we dont follow them to the conviction that victims not getting what they want is by definition a miscarriage of justice......justice is not obtained for the victims only as many victim culture advocates proclaim, it is obtained for all of us.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2014 10:59 pm
@hawkeye10,
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I am suggesting that we dont follow them to the conviction that victims not getting what they want is by definition a miscarriage of justice

Who said that "victims not getting what they want is by definition a miscarriage of justice"?

What you are doing is setting up another straw-man, so you can pontificate some more, without actually addressing any real issues.

You blow so much hot air this place feels like a sauna after you post.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 02:17 am
@BillRM,
The lawmakers in the UK don't get thrown out of parks for trying to abduct children using a box of kittens. That's what paedophiles do.

As has been noted before the only laws you find unjust are those dealing with sex crimes. You had no problem with Texas executing a man without examining DNA evidence that might have exonerated him. You only care about yourself and what might happen to you when you get caught.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 07:30 am
@izzythepush,
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parks for trying to abduct children using a box of kittens. That's what paedophiles do.


Yes indeed anyone would try to abduct kids within a few hundred yards of their home and with flyers with the home phone number on them offering cats free for a good homes all over the area including the park in question.

My bet would be that there was likely a few paedophiles in that park that day as in fathers and older brothers and family friends and coaches and so on but it was not me sitting in the middle of the park trying to get the kids to bring over their parents to adopts those kittens out.

Yes, last I read somewhere like 80 to 90 percents of the true paedophiles are not strangers to the kids in question or their families but keep trying to put false information out so the care givers of the children are looking in mostly the wrong direction.

Maybe the child abusers might give you an award for helping them lowing the guard toward the bulk of them as in Uncles and family friends and boyfriends of the mothers.

I am old enough to remember where old men sitting in parks feeding the birds and interacting with playing children was not look upon in unreasonable fear.

The whole society had lost out in creating such a level of unreasonable fear that most adults feel that they must give the cold shoulders to any children they run into.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 07:33 am
@BillRM,
You can repeat your cover story as much as you want, but I'm not daft enough to fall for it. There's plenty of documented cases of paedophiles using kittens/puppies/rabbits etc. to groom/abduct children, but you knew that anyway. That's where you got the idea from.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 07:54 am
@izzythepush,
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There's plenty of documented cases of paedophiles using kittens/puppies/rabbits etc


Strange as I am good at doing internet searches and when this silliness first came up I did as complete search as I could possibly do and I could not come up with one solid case of that happening going back over two decades

It in fact surprise the hell out of me, as I figure there must be some truth behind this well known danger of evil men in parks with animals. Warnings and claims that this is a danger to children but not one case of it happening.

So perhaps you are a better internet searcher then I am and can give links to a few of those will documented cases.

Of course when you think about it real child abusers that decided to go the route of just kidnapping a child would likely like to keep a far lower profile then having a cat carriers with cats in them in the middle of a park full of parents and other caregivers.

So please give us some links to these cases.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 08:00 am
@BillRM,
FF has posted such examples before. It's a well known tactic. I don't think there's anything strange about you not finding something you don't want to find.

The phrase 'Do you want to see some puppies?' is synonymous with kiddy fiddling.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 08:21 am
@izzythepush,
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FF has posted such examples before. It's a well known tactic. I don't think there's anything strange about you not finding something you don't want to find.


Yes, there are warning about such tactics but no case that I could find nor any case that FF had posted where it had happen.

Now one link to a real case of this happening is something I would think is not hard to do if it was at all common.

Only a tiny percent of child abused/sexual abused is done by a stranger instead of someone that the family happen to know and have trust in.

Good going helping the vast majority of child abusers to fly under the radar and maybe NAMBA will give you an award for helping to spread false information as to where the real danger happen to be.
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 09:42 am
@izzythepush,
Obviously, the other adults in the park were concerned about BillRM's behavior--they made sure he left the park.

Do you notice, he has no concern, at all, for the welfare of children who deserve to be protected from sexual predators? He really can't understand why the adults in that park took the actions that they did to have him removed from the area.

He does nothing but try to minimize the prevalence of sex crimes, or deny them, with no regard, at all, for deterring or preventing these crimes. The adults in that park took appropriate action, it was BillRM's interaction with those children that was inappropriate. He was luring those children to interact with a stranger, something every parent warns his child not to do.
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The phrase 'Do you want to see some puppies?' is synonymous with kiddy fiddling.

When I was about 8, a man carrying some packages approached me on the street, a quite busy street, where I was walking by myself. He asked if I'd help him by carrying a package for him across the street to the building he lived in. Being a helpful child, I did. When we got to the outside entrance of his building, he asked if I'd help him carry it to his apartment, and he told me he had some puppies I could play with when we got there. Having been warned about that sort of thing by my mother, alarm bells went off in my head, I dropped the man's package, and ran rapidly home. I never told my parents about that incident because I was afraid I'd get in trouble for having walked across the street with the man.

BillRM can try to promote the fantasy that strangers, or people in the neighborhood, never try to do these things with children, but, unfortunately they do. And that's why the other adults in that park were right to regard him with suspicion and to make sure he was removed from the park. There's nothing new about this sort of concern. Child molesters have been around for a long, long time.

BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 10:43 am
@firefly,
Sorry Firefly as if I had just taken my wife along no one would had look at either of us with a raised eyebrow so it have nothing to do with my behaviors as such and everything to do with my being a male and my behaviors was telling any kid who approach me without a parent to get their parents over there to grant permission to adopted one of the kittens if they wish to have a kitten.

It would be amazingly stupid for anyone with evil in their hearts to sit in the middle of a park full of adults caregivers with a cat carrier full of kittens in order to try to abducted any of the children.

My behavior in the park was the same as my behavior in pet smart when I was showing the kittens to parents and children trying to find homes for them. In fact finding homes for one of them at pet smart.

Hell people all the time have dogs or kittens on the side of the road with signs that they are either for sale or free to a good home. So how is the side of a road any difference then the middle of a park full of adult care givers?

The whole thing is silly as once more please anyone link to a news story where someone had used animals in the middle of a park to abduct a child!!!!!!!

There are animals friendly parks in the area I live in and if the park next of my home have been such a park I would not had let the park but I would had been more then willing to ID myself to anyone who ask for it. Hell if any parent had any concern about me I would had cheerfully had talked to them and shown my ID to them if that what is needed to put their minds to rest.

Come to think of it I been to dog parks with my dogs and kids had come and wished to pet my dogs and no one raised an eyebrows over that happening so why are having kittens in a large red carrier any more of a danger to children then a man with two cute dogs with him??????

To sum up I was doing zero wrong is trying to find homes for those kittens in that park anymore then I was at Pet Smart and my abilities to quietly removed a child from that park was no greater then trying to do so at Pet Smart.

We are going insane as there was a news story of a elderly couple who was in the area and wish to tour a child science museum and was turn away due to them not having a child with them.

Once more how in the hell are children in any more danger from this elderly couple in a museum then anywhere else such as a movie theater.

There might had been would be child sexual abusers in that park but it is a hundred times more likely to be someone that the parent trust then someone trying to find homes and good lives for stay animals.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 11:06 am
Footnote late last night I came out of a drug store and ran into a young cat around 4 to 5 months old and went back in and purchase a can of cat food for him or her.

I can only hope that the cat goddess will take note of my love and attentions to her subjects.

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