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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2013 01:41 pm
@BillRM,
Can a bank ask to be robbed?
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2013 01:52 pm
@BillRM,
I repeat...

Throughout hundreds of pages of this thread, you have engaged in every possible tactic to deny, minimize, excuse, and rationalize, crimes of rape/sexual assault, and when actual rape victims posted in this thread, and related their experiences, you demeaned and insulted them.

Your particular personal obsession with the issue of false allegations reveals a rather profound distrust of women on your part. That basic attitude, coupled with a fair amount of hostility and derision toward women in general, and toward many of the female posters in this thread in particular, has characterized most of your comments in this thread.

You seem to be on a one man mission to discredit women, and their claims of sexual assault, in every possible way. That mind-set, coupled with your general mockery of the issue of sexual assault, is not only part of what contributes to facilitating a "rape culture", it actually trivializes the problem of false allegations because your presentation is so clearly skewed and biased, quite often inaccurate, and because you choose to present it in the wrong context. You ironically wind up being the worse possible spokesperson for your cause.

The one thing you have not done, in the hundreds of pages of this thread, is to acknowledge that there is never justification for rape, rape as the laws currently, and rather universally, define it, and that there is a need to change those attitudes that help to facilitate sexual assaults.

All you've really done in this thread is to, once again, cement your reputation for being an asshole--as if any more proof of that was needed.

http://curezone.com/upload/Blogs/Zoebess/head_up_ass.jpg
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2013 02:11 pm
@BillRM,
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Love that once more a woman get a slap on the wrist of 20 days in jail for falsely charging a man...

Where is your concern, or outrage, when rapists receive only a slap on the wrist of 30 days in jail...

Where is your concern, or outrage, when a 14 year old rape victim is so blamed and shamed that she commits suicide....
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September 26, 2013
Montana Rape Case: Stacey Rambold to be released after serving 30 days for rape of 14-year-old

KTVQ (CBS/AP) - The former Montana high school teacher who was sentenced to 30 days in prison for raping his 14-year-old student is due to be released today.

Stacey Rambold, 54, will leave the Montana State Prison in Deer Lodge after completing the term handed down by District Judge G. Todd Baugh of Billings last month for the 2007 rape of Cherice Moralez.

Moralez committed suicide in 2010 and her mother has said that Rambold's actions were a "major factor" in the girl's death.

The sentence drew national outrage after Baugh made comments about Moralez including that she was "older than her chronological age" and "as much in control of the situation as was the defendant."

He later apologized, saying: "I made some really stupid remarks. It didn't come out right and I owe the whole county, but maybe even the whole country, especially women, an apology."

Prosecutors said Baugh's lenient sentence was not allowed under a state law that requires Rambold to serve a mandatory minimum of two years in prison.

On Sept. 24, the National Organization for Women (NOW) filed a complaint against Baugh, delivering 144,000 signatures along with the complaint to Montana's Judicial Standards Commission in Helena, reports CBS affiliate KTVQ. The complaint asks that Baugh be removed from the bench "for his misconduct related to his handling of and speech about the rape case involving the sentencing of Stacey Rambold."

Moralez's mother, Auliea Hanlon, spoke with the Associate Press about her feelings on the eve of Rambold's release: "I figured he'd be fired, go to jail, and she would be vindicated, and that would be the end of ...Instead, here it is six years later, still going on, and he's getting out. ... He's still skating."

Hanlon said her focus remains on Rambold and the appeal of his sentence, which prosecutors said could take six to 18 months to work its way through the Montana Supreme Court.

For years, Hanlon said she carried around a photograph of her daughter's rapist, so she would recognize him if they ever crossed paths. With his return to Billings, she said she likely would walk away if she encountered him now.

"I considered going down to the jail to forgive him, but I don't know," she said. "I'm still waiting for a sign from God."

State officials say Rambold must register as a sex offender and will remain on probation as prosecutors appeal the case to the Supreme Court in hopes of sending him back to prison for a longer term.

Rambold's attorney, Jay Lansing, declined to comment on the defendant's release.

In court documents and during the sentencing hearing, Lansing described his client as a one-time offender with no prior record who took responsibility for his actions when he admitted to a single count of rape under a 2010 deferred prosecution agreement that was made after Moralez killed herself.

Moralez felt guilty for ruining Rambold's life, and was ostracized and ridiculed by her peers after details in the case became public, Hanlon said.

The agreement with prosecutors allowed Rambold to remain free for more than three years until he was kicked out of his sex offender treatment program for unauthorized visits with relatives' children and for not disclosing that he was in a sexual relationship with a Washington woman.

At the time, Rambold was renting an apartment in Billings and working as a telephone trainer for a technology company, according to court documents.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57604760-504083/montana-rape-case-stacey-rambold-to-be-released-after-serving-30-days-for-rape-of-14-year-old/


izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2013 06:47 pm
@firefly,
Perhaps BillRM got a woman drunk and took advantage of her. The next day she told him what he had done, and although no action was taken, word got out, and his name was mud. He has convinced himself that what took place was voluntary, and sees himself as a victim instead of a perpetrator. That would explain a great deal.
panzade
 
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Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2013 06:55 pm
The anger towards women is at the root of the rape culture; this we have learned from Bill and thus he is important to this thread.

Without his misogynistic posts it would be more difficult to explain to a2k how this culture manifests itself in our society.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2013 07:56 pm
@panzade,
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The anger towards women is at the root of the rape culture; this we have learned from Bill and thus he is important to this thread.


LOL ...the anger is directed at a sub-set of women who I had name the Fireflies not all women. [Some of the women are men such as Izzy.]

The kind of women who wish to place my grandsons at risk when they become sexual active if they are unlucky enough to run into young ladies who do not take responsibility for their own actions and in fact been taught that any regret for any reason after the sex turn that sex into an act of rape.

No mom and dad it is not my fault or my decision to have sex it is the evil boy who I was out drinking with. I have a few drinks with him and so it must had been rape as I am a "good" girl except for the male predator I dated.

Or he pressure me into having sex with him by telling me he would stop dating me if I did not have sex with him so it must had been rape.

Footnote the military had trainers that are now telling the troops that if a woman had even one drink she can not consent to sex!!!!!!!!

Thank god I am married and not at risk of running into women who had been taught that if they regret having sex with some man he must had rape her.



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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2013 08:20 pm
@izzythepush,
LOL a nice story Izzy but I tend to have had long long relationships with adult women all my life and have never had the misfortune to have a sexual encounter with a child/woman that the Fireflies are trying to turn out in great numbers.

Even my first wife while she was willing to be a liar to try to get one up on me during a divorce never play the rape card thank god even if she did play the abused card when the only person assaulted was myself by her during our short married.

Sadly the risk of running into child/women seems to have greatly increase over the last generation or so and once more I will give the credit for that to the Fireflies of the world.

In my younger day feminists desire to be treated as adults and was pushing for both equal rights and equal responsibilities and did not view themselves as children that can blame men for all their actions that they later regret including sex.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2013 09:16 pm
@panzade,
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The anger towards women is at the root of the rape culture; this we have learned from Bill and thus he is important to this thread.

Without his misogynistic posts it would be more difficult to explain to a2k how this culture manifests itself in our society.

That's an excellent point, panzade.

It does help me to see that he does have some utility in this thread.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2013 11:22 pm
@panzade,
panzade wrote:

The anger towards justice is at the root of the rape culture; this we have learned from Bill and thus he is important to this thread.

Without his justice centric posts it would be more difficult to explain to a2k how this culture manifests itself in our society.

fixed
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2013 11:24 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Quote:
The anger towards women is at the root of the rape culture; this we have learned from Bill and thus he is important to this thread.

Without his misogynistic posts it would be more difficult to explain to a2k how this culture manifests itself in our society.

That's an excellent point, panzade.

It does help me to see that he does have some utility in this thread.

justice is not always what the alleged victim want, this fact trips you up again and again.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 1 Nov, 2013 03:47 am
@panzade,
Agreed.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 1 Nov, 2013 05:44 am
I love the idea that it is being part of the "rape culture" to be angry at such women as is shown in the video below or even more angry at the people who allow them to act with the knowledge that there is little or no punishment for them even when and if they are found out.

Perhaps such technology as google glasses coming online will give some protection against such women at least to the same level as police car cams are now protecting police officers.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 1 Nov, 2013 06:12 am
@hawkeye10,
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justice is not always what the alleged victim want, this fact trips you up again and again.


All you need to do is question if a woman is or is not a victim of rape and you are now a member in good standing of the rape culture.

We should not even have trials and just locked up any male who any female claimed rape her as to do otherwise is to be part of the rape culture.

An if somehow there is proof beyond question that no rape, no matter how you define it, happen there surely should not be serous punishment against the false accuser.

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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 1 Nov, 2013 08:24 am
@hawkeye10,
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justice is not always what the alleged victim want...

I suppose that banal generality is your idea of a profound statement.

Justice is rarely about what an alleged victim, of any crime, might want. "Justice" in our legal system is about ensuring due process in upholding the laws of the state.





panzade
 
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Reply Fri 1 Nov, 2013 09:08 am
@firefly,
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Justice is rarely about what an alleged victim, of any crime, might want.

Really? 0000000000000Really?

Replace rarely with usually and it's more believable IMO

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"Justice" in our legal system is about ensuring due process in upholding the laws of the state.

Unfortunately there is a lot of work still to be done in insuring due process in rape cases.
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Although it may not be "politically correct" to question the veracity of a women's complaint of rape, failing to consider the accuser may be intentionally lying effectively eradicates the presumption of innocence. This Constitutional right is especially significant when dealing with allegations of rape as in most jurisdictions, sex offenses are the only crimes that do not require corroborating evidence for conviction.


Although I'm a champion of eradicating this "rape culture" I'm also a champion of changing due process in cases of rape.
There are four things I would like to see instituted:

1. Mandatory lie-detector tests for accuser and accused.

2. False accusations charges changed from misdemeanor to felony

3. Financial restitution, severe restitution for victims of false accusations.00000and

4. Relaxation of the "rape shield" laws to allow evidence of previous
0ofalse allegations

firefly
 
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Reply Fri 1 Nov, 2013 09:51 am
@izzythepush,
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Perhaps BillRM got a woman drunk and took advantage of her....

Perhaps? Is there any doubt in your mind that BillRM views such behavior as totally acceptable? Or that he deeply resents the fact that such sexually assaultive behavior is illegal?
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He has convinced himself that what took place was voluntary, and sees himself as a victim...

BillRM prefers to deny the reality of state laws which clearly define the term "consent" in the context of sexual assaults. An impaired individual is not capable of legal consent, regardless of how that impairment came about.

In BillRM's deluded mind, if he isn't "forcing" the woman, it's not "rape". And the advantage of an intoxicated female, for someone like BillRM, is the fact that no force may be required, either because she's too impaired to resist, or because her normal inhibitions have been neurologically altered by intoxicants. No matter how you look at it, the person would not be a fully cognizant, freely willing, legally consenting individual. And, the next day, she might not even be able to recall what occurred because she was so impaired at the time.

When rape complaints follow sexual assaults of that type, BillRM will tell you that no rape took place and this is all due to "regret" about sex she was perfectly willing to engage in. He will further tell you she became impaired voluntarily, and that men aren't supposed to be the "guardians" of women. Apart from the obvious victim blame, BillRM regards the female as little more than a piece of meat that he was entitled to, and his attitude toward her becomes even more contemptuous at any suggestion that he did anything wrong or that he might be held legally accountable. He obviously has to brand her as a liar who is making a false allegation.

Totally absent from BillRM's thinking is any awareness that a violation of sexual assault law actually took place, and that he chose to take advantage of an impaired individual. He chooses to focus his anger, and contempt, on the woman, for resenting the assault, or even labeling it as such, rather than on his own responsibility for his actions. Also implicit in this line of thought, is BillRM's belief that unwanted sex in such a situation is no big deal, and he cannot connect, at all, to the other person's sense of both physical and emotional violation.

panzade is quite right. BillRM's posts, and line of thought, provide clear insight into the mentality that enables a "rape culture" and that makes it difficult to obtain rape convictions. They obscure their own criminal activity, in violating sexual assault laws, through both victim blame and by assuming a self-righteous posture--they are the real victims, and, by extension, all other men might be similarly victimized by these allegedly lying vindictive females. And, if she can't prove, beyond any doubt, that she was raped, we should throw her in jail for years. That's BillRM's solution--don't stop sexually assaulting them, just keep them from complaining about it



hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 1 Nov, 2013 10:24 am
@firefly,
you clearly did not get the memo that men dont own women anymore, the booze that goes down a woman's throat is her fault. also drunk sex is usually done by two or more drunk people, the men are drunk too, we have a lot of nerve pretending that it is all men's fault. if men are going to be held responsible for what women do then we need to have control of women, again.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 1 Nov, 2013 10:49 am
@hawkeye10,
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the booze that goes down a woman's throat is her fault. also drunk sex is usually done by two or more drunk people, the men are drunk too, we have a lot of nerve pretending that it is all men's fault. if men are going to be held responsible for what women do then we need to have control of women, again.


Just what I had been saying if we do not wish to view women as adults fully responsible for their own actions then we need to provide some form of legal guardianship/protection as in the "good old days".

A father before marriage and a husband afterward for example.
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panzade
 
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Reply Fri 1 Nov, 2013 11:13 am
@hawkeye10,
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the booze that goes down a woman's throat is her fault

Right. And if she crashes her car drunk it's her fault.
And if she trips on the stairs when drunk it's her fault.
And when a gazillion other calamities befall her it's her fault000000but...

When she is raped while drunk00000 why is it her fault?
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 1 Nov, 2013 11:37 am
@panzade,
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When she is raped while drunk00000 why is it her fault?


Depend on how you define rape once more as in someone having sex with an unconscious or nearly unconscious woman or someone having sex with a woman who have become voluntary high and in that state is more then willing to have sex even if she might regret it the next day or the next week.

Those two states are not one and the same thing no matter how Firefly wish to make them the same.
 

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