Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

Women no longer believe that feminism represents their interests or needs.

So at the moment we are stuck, till we have had enough of our government abusing men, and micro managing our sex lives and relationships, at the behest of the feminists.

To sum up I was very happy that we ended up getting married outside of the state of Florida so we did not get ripped off in this manner.

Hawkeye as far as women of the past being helpless victims I can still remember my mother telling me how in 1942 when my parents had gotten marry she told my father that he was free to hit her anytime he would care to but she strongly recommended that he never close his eyes in the house afterward.

Men are all lust driven animals.

The difficulty in getting Medicaid coverage for cases that qualify under the law as written demonstrates why building exceptions into abortion bans just doesn't work. The whole idea behind the "rape, incest, or medical emergency" exception is that the law can meaningfully divide women into virgin and whore categories, and allow the former to have the abortions they've earned by being good girls in pitiable situations (including women who fully intended to have their babies like good, Christian women, but who face health problems that prevent them from doing so) while making sure the filthy sluts who have sex for pleasure get their due punishment. But the categories of "virgin" and "whore" aren't as clear-cut as people who come up with these exceptions imagine. Anyone who observes the justice system's approach to rape can attest to this; behavior in the victim that may have seemed relatively innocuous before the rape suddenly looks like the height of dirty sluttitude when portrayed by the defense team, allowing juries to let accused rapists off because the victims were supposedly asking for it. (I got a powerful photo at SlutWalk NYC demonstrating how silly all this really gets.) Exceptions for how you got pregnant in abortion bans allow the person making the exception to preen about how they aren't trying to punish the good girls, but in reality almost no one gets to be a good enough girl to be considered a good girl. After all, we still have vaginas and sexual urges, exactly like those filthy sluts. The lines blur quickly.

Rape exceptions are there to relieve anti-choice consciences more than they are there to make sure women in need get abortions. They demonstrate the futility of having outsiders who don't understand a woman's intimate situation trying to parse whether or not she deserves an abortion, whether or not she's put enough of a good faith effort into fitting their model of chaste womanhood to get the abortion she needs

I find it annoying that the feminists such as Firefly

Anyone who observes the justice system's approach to rape can attest to this; behavior in the victim that may have seemed relatively innocuous before the rape suddenly looks like the height of dirty sluttitude when portrayed by the defense team, allowing juries to let accused rapists off because the victims were supposedly asking for it.

They demonstrate the futility of having outsiders who don't understand a woman's intimate situation trying to parse whether or not she deserves an abortion, whether or not she's put enough of a good faith effort into fitting their model of chaste womanhood to get the abortion she needs

They demonstrate the futility of having outsiders who don't understand a couple's intimate situation trying to parse whether or not the man deserves to be charged with rape, whether or not he's put enough of a good faith effort into fitting their model of none threatening male to get the sexual freedom he needs

30 September 2011
Do men hold the key to fighting rape in South Africa?
By Mike Lanchin

BBC News spoke to Ronnie and Phikeleli, who have been taking part in the Men Against Violence workshop

"How many of you here have ever raped a woman?"

After a short silence two men gingerly raise their hands.

In towns and cities across South Africa, small groups of men, some of them confessed rapists, are meeting to talk about sexual violence, as part of a small but significant challenge to their country's notorious record on rape.

This workshop is gathered at a sports centre in the deprived Johannesburg township of Alexandra.

"Most men are silent about this," says Dumisani Rebombo, who is leading the workshop organised by the One Man Can Campaign.

But it is "vitally important" for men to play their part in tackling the rape crisis, he says.

Just as the participation of white people in the black struggle against apartheid in South Africa had added strength to that movement, men "must stand up and work with women" to combat rape, he told the BBC World Service.

"Do you think women are raped in our country because of wearing short skirts?" Mr Rebombo asks the group.

They reply with a mix of Yes and No - the Yes group a little louder than the other.

"Rape is about sleeping with a woman without her consent and I have done it," admits one of the men, 33-year-old Phikeleli.

"By coming here I have had the opportunity to sit down with other men and to discuss the issue of 'No is No' - and to understand exactly what rape is," he adds.

Another man told the BBC about a gang rape of a woman in his neighbourhood.

"The community said that she deserved it... It happens so often that it is not taken seriously by the community - it's a norm to them."

Though South Africa's murder rate has now fallen to its lowest level in recent years, rape is still on the increase, according to the latest official crime figures.

More than 56,000 women reported having been raped during the 12-month period to March 2011, police say. Many more cases are believed to go unreported.

Justice and society

Earlier this month President Jacob Zuma infuriated activists and many of the country's top lawyers by appointing an ordained pastor with controversial views on rape and homosexuality as the country's chief justice.

The workshop is trying challenge some of the root causes of rape

Judge Mogoeng Mogoeng, now South Africa's most senior judge, has denied he was insensitive to rape.

In 2004, however, he reduced the sentence of a man convicted of raping a seven-year-old girl from life imprisonment to 18 months, the minimum.

And a year later, he reduced the jail sentence of another man who attempted rape from five to two years.

In an interview with the BBC World Service, South Africa's Minister for Basic Education, Angie Motshekga, denied the authorities were doing too little to tackle the crime.

The rate of rape cases is "unacceptably high," says Mrs Motshekga.

But she says "the decadence in our society" is to blame, not the government.

"Kids come to school with social stereotypes, which are reinforced at home, in society, in the church - everywhere they go. It is a social problem."

"How many people we arrest isn't the solution, it lies with socialisation and our country's value system."

Saying sorry

Dumisani Rebombo is himself a confessed rapist who went one step further by seeking out his victim years later, in order to ask for her forgiveness.

He was 15 years old when he and another boy raped a girl in their village - "in order to teach her a lesson".

He said it took him 20 years to realise what he had done was wrong.

"It dawned on me that I had to find this woman," he said.

When they met, he apologised and she broke down in tears.

Dumisani Rebombo was racked by guilt after raping a woman

Three years later, he began organising workshops to talk about how to stop other men raping women.

"I would say all men have in one way or another raped," says Ronnie, a former convict and another member at the workshop.

Many of his fellow inmates were in jail for rape attacks.

"It's not easy for them to accept what they did was wrong," he says.

"It's all about power - men believe they have the right to do as they please."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15110750

I am not a feminist, it is quite clear you would rather deliberately lie and distort than honestly address the issues I have raised.
Given your blatant dishonesty, anything else you say on the topic cannot be considered credible.

You and people like you efforts to redefine rape away from the test of whether force or the threat of force was use had done more harm then good in aiding victims of real rape instead of women who had regrets after consenting to sex.

Using the excuse of invalid consent because of such things as the women own voluntary drinking.

he would had been guilty of raping her if he would had gone along and she had regrets the next day.

We do not normally hold others responsible for the actions of an adult under the voluntary influence of drugs or alcohol however Firefly position is if this young woman would had said to this male friend of her I am horny and desire to have sex with you he would had been guilty of raping her if he would had gone along and she had regrets the next day.

Strangely he does not have a legal obligation to act as her guardian except when it come to having sex with him.

Sorry that is insane…………………a woman is either an adult who is responsible for her own actions under the influence or not under the influence or she is a child.

I had already posted on this thread such cases.

The issue is consent--at the time the sex took place. In order to legally consent, one must be fully conscious and aware of what one is consenting to. Intoxicating substances, whether ingested voluntarily or not, impair cognitive functions such as judgment, awareness, perception, and even level of consciousness. They may also physically incapacitate the person and impair the ability to resist.