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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2011 08:32 am
@mysteryman,
You support the current rapes laws in some states where if a drunken dating couple had sex the woman can turn around and charge the man with rape if she regret consenting to sex afterward under the influence?

The whole drive to include rape by reason of invalid consent you are supporting?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2011 05:22 pm
@mysteryman,
You should read what was written. He said you have helped to prevent this thread from being a feminist propaganda effort. He never said you agreed with him.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2011 05:57 pm
@mysteryman,
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Please dont include me as agreeing with you at all.
I do support the cujrrent rape laws, for the most part
this fight is only slightly about where rape law is right now, for the most part we are fighting over how obnoxious, repressive and gender preferential they will become in the future. Based upon what you have said I have no doubt but that you will come down on my side.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2011 05:58 pm
@Ionus,
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He said you have helped to prevent this thread from being a feminist propaganda effort. He never said you agreed with him.
Ahh, a man who reads for comprehension....I like that...
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2011 06:03 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

this fight is only slightly about where rape law is right now, for the most part we are fighting over how obnoxious, repressive and gender preferential they will become in the future. Based upon what you have said I have no doubt but that you will come down on my side.


Some pages back (hard to know where given over 400 pages to date) you referred to a debate. Now, you refer to a fight.

Usually, those who are weak in debating skills resort to fighting and trashing the other side. Your skills are showing.
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2011 06:07 pm
@Intrepid,
Quote:
Usually, those who are weak in debating skills resort to fighting and trashing the other side.
Usually those who are sympathetic to rape victims do not sneer and laugh at one. They also do not enjoy reading about rape.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2011 06:13 pm
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

Quote:
Usually, those who are weak in debating skills resort to fighting and trashing the other side.
Usually those who are sympathetic to rape victims do not sneer and laugh at one. They also do not enjoy reading about rape.


Do you mean your story about you (a big strong man) being raped by a little woman?

I am not aware of anyone who enjoys reading about rape. Oh, perhaps with the exception of you, Hawkeye and Billy.

Is this reply your answer to what I wrote to Hawkeye? Your skills are even worse than his. You are only saved by the fact that Billy outshines you both in any of the above.
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2011 06:15 pm
@Intrepid,
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Do you mean your story about you (a big strong man) being raped by a little woman?
So it is not rape if the woman does not resist ? Or are you saying you dont believe a rape victim ?

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I am not aware of anyone who enjoys reading about rape.
Not even those who post it ?
Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2011 06:22 pm
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

Quote:
Do you mean your story about you (a big strong man) being raped by a little woman?
So it is not rape if the woman does not resist ? Or are you saying you dont believe a rape victim ?

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I am not aware of anyone who enjoys reading about rape.
Not even those who post it ?


Are you playing with words? I am saying that it is curious that in a thread about the rape of women, you come up with a story about you being raped by a woman. Did she overpower you? Did she threaten you? Did she assault you? Did she hurt you? Did she physically restrain you? You know, the way that a woman is raped by a man.

Do you think that those who have provided descriptive text of such events enjoy reading and posting about it? Are you so naive and uninformed to realize that people present facts every day, but do not necessarily enjoy doing so. Do you think that a newspaper reporter enjoys writing about all of the things that they report?

Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2011 06:23 pm
A friend of mine had sex with his wife in the middle of the night. She woke up and found her nightie up around her shoulders and asked him if they had sex. They had nothing to drink the night before, neither of them was on drugs, etc, etc...

This is clearly one for the Correct Thinking Police...he should have been charged with rape. Someone should have kicked the door down and dragged him off to at least 10 yrs in gaol. It is only by diligence that we will overcome incorrect thinking. Remember, " Dob In A Rapist A Day" needs YOU !!
Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2011 06:24 pm
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

A friend of mine had sex with his wife in the middle of the night. She woke up and found her nightie up around her shoulders and asked him if they had sex. They had nothing to drink the night before, neither of them was on drugs, etc, etc...

This is clearly one for the Correct Thinking Police...he should have been charged with rape. Someone should have kicked the door down and dragged him off to at least 10 yrs in gaol. It is only by diligence that we will overcome incorrect thinking. Remember, " Dob In A Rapist A Day" needs YOU !!


Did she make a complaint? Did she accuse her husband of rape?

Did your friend enjoy telling you about it? Did you enjoy hearing about it?

Rolling Eyes
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2011 06:28 pm
@Intrepid,
So you are commenting on a post you have never read. Well thats a surprise.

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Did she overpower you? Did she threaten you? Did she assault you? Did she hurt you? Did she physically restrain you? You know, the way that a woman is raped by a man.
So a man is only guilty of rape if there is evidence of physical violence. We have never said anything that radical, and it surprises me you have changed sides so late in the debate.

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Do you think that those who have provided descriptive text of such events enjoy reading and posting about it?
So you think it is so painful but they do it anyway ??? Like periods and child birth, posting rape stories is right up there with "a woman's gotta do what a woman's gotta do".

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Do you think that a newspaper reporter enjoys writing about all of the things that they report?
I am damn sure they get paid for it. What is the reward motive for these sickos ?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2011 06:30 pm
@Intrepid,
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Did she make a complaint?
Arent you familiar with how you women must encourage more women to come forward ?

Was she raped or wasnt she ? Do you know or not ?
Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2011 07:05 pm
@Ionus,
Discussion with a moron would make more sense than discussion with you. You, apparently, don't have a clue about what you read and your childish replies are laughable at best, but lean more toward the pathetic.

In early posts, you refer to me as a doddery stupid old man. Now you refer to me as a woman. You are as credibility suffers from lack of lustre.

The real laugh is you referring to others as sickos. You are a laugh a minute.
panzade
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2011 08:24 pm
@mysteryman,
thanks for clarifying mm
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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2011 11:01 pm
@Intrepid,
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In early posts, you refer to me as a doddery stupid old man. Now you refer to me as a woman.
If you have a sex change who am I to say it is wrong. Actually, that was a "doddering" old fart as I am unaware of what a doddery is, but it sounds like somewhere you would get the care you need.
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The real laugh is you referring to others as sickos. You are a laugh a minute.
Are you angry because you did all that sucking up and never got laid ? Never mind...there are other dominance/pornographic sites that can excite you.....remember child porn is illegal.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2011 04:37 am
A non-gay female gym teacher how odd. Cool


http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/crime/female-gym-teacher-accused-of-sex-acts-with-football-players-1072802.html

Female gym teacher accused of sex acts with football players

By Ed Richter, Staff Writer
Updated 8:30 PM Friday, February 4, 2011
MASON — A female Mason high school gym teacher is accused of having sexual misconduct with five students, most of them football players at the school.

A Warren County grand jury on Friday indicted Stacy Schuler of Springboro on 16 counts of sexual battery, a third-degree felony; and three misdemeanor counts of offenses involving underage persons.

Schuler, who will turn 33 next week, allegedly had sexual contact with the students on five different occasions between August and December, according to officials with the Warren County Prosecutor’s Office. She also allegedly bought alcohol for the students, according to the indictment.

Prosecutors said the alleged sex acts, mostly with football players at Mason High School, occurred off school grounds.

Chief Assistant Prosecutor Bruce McGary said the allegations did not happen at a party. Mason police Detective Toni Hoelke said when the parents of the students found out about the allegations, they “were surprised and that they had no idea about it.”

Schuler, who is single according to prosecutors, turned herself into authorities Friday and was arraigned in Warren County Common Pleas Court.

Her bond was set at $50,000 and was ordered to stay away from the victims as well as any other students. On Friday night, she had not posted bond.

Attorney Charlie Rittgers of Lebanon is representing Schuler.

“We knew she was being investigated,” Rittgers said. “There has been no discovery from prosecutors and we’ll be starting our own investigation.”

Rittgers said Schuler has been ordered to wear a GPS monitoring device.

“If her parents can’t raise the money for bond or if she can’t get a GPS device put on, she’ll have to stay in jail,” Rittgers said. “There’s a good probability she’ll be there for the weekend.”

Schuler faces up to 81 years in jail if convicted on all charges.

The case has already gained national attention.

“Anytime a teacher is accused of having sex with students, it gets peoples attention,” Rittgers said. “It doesn’t surprise me with those allegations.”

Authorities also said George Coates, a Mason High School assistant principal who resigned last week, had allegedly sent Schuler text messages involving sexual images.

Schuler apparently told school authorities about the alleged messages before she was asked to leave.

Police said Coates is not under investigation and his alleged acts did not involve Mason students.

Coates submitted a letter of resignation Jan. 28, citing personal reasons. Mason’s school board is expected to vote on the matter at next Tuesday’s meeting.

He was hired as an assistant principal in December 2001 and his annual salary at the time of his resignation was $88,000.

Schuler, a health and physical education teacher at the 3,048 student-populated Mason High School, has been under investigation by police after an anonymous tip was given to school officials during the week of Jan. 10, according to Tracey Carson, schools spokeswoman.

Carson said Schuler was placed on paid administrative leave on Jan. 18. During that time, Schuler was prohibited from attending district events or being on district property.

“As high school principal, I am committed to the safety and well-being of our students, and will not tolerate behavior that does not conform to that goal. Our staff is prepared to help our students during this situation, and know how it important it is to continue to build trust with our students and families,” said Principal Mindy McCarty-Stewart.

Superintendent Kevin Bright said he was “appalled by the recent allegations” involving Schuler.

“Our job at the end of the day, is to partner with our families and to empower our staff to report anything that seems out of line, and then to act swiftly when someone behaves inappropriately,” Bright said.

Bright said in this case, the district “acted swiftly, partnered with police immediately, and we are standing her today because of how seriously our high school principal took an anonymous tip.”

Bright said he has reported the allegations to the Ohio Department of Education, and the superintendent will recommend to the Mason Board of Education that Schuler be suspended without pay as the district begins termination proceedings. The school board is expected to act upon those recommendations at its next meeting on Tuesday.

Her duties included work as an athletic trainer for the high school’s girls and boys sports teams. She earned $53,194 in 2008, according to her personnel file.

Schuler had received a disciplinary action in November 2007 after two students were in the teacher’s classroom when they were not supposed to be there and were missing other classes, according to her personnel file.

At the time of the action, the teacher said the two students needed to work out some personal problems and remained in the teacher’s classroom, according to her file.

Schuler graduated from Centerville High School in 1996 and Wright State University in 2000. She was a student teacher at Fairmont High School in Kettering from 1999-2000, according to her file.

In her Health Education Philosophy as part of her application to work at Mason, Schuler wrote that she wanted to teach students about major risk factors for teenagers including “sexual behaviors that result in disease, STDs, and unwanted pregnancies.”

In the same statement Schuler said, “Today’s society has its own standards of behavior, values, and norms that do not necessarily reflect healthy living,” and later asked “How can a child who is sexually active as a teenager learn about STDs and how to prevent unwanted pregnancies?”

Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2011 10:57 pm
@BillRM,
William please ! That sort of story is damaging to the feminist agenda.

Like this one I hope :
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David Dougherty's ordeal
October 1992: An 11-year-old west Auckland girl is abducted from her home and raped. She claims David Dougherty is her attacker. He is arrested and charged but maintains his innocence and gives DNA samples to prove it.
June 1993: Dougherty is found guilty of rape and abduction. DNA evidence is inconclusive. Dougherty begins a seven-year, nine-month jail term.
October 1993: Dougherty's defence seeks more sophisticated testing of the existing samples from the ESR. Scientist Peta Stringer identifies another man's semen in the complainant's underwear but claims there are also traces of DNA which cannot exclude Dougherty.
October 1994: Dougherty's Court of Appeal bid is thrown out. Scientist Arie Geursen questions the finding and begins investigations with lawyer Murray Gibson.
January 1996: Overseas experts back Geursen, saying tests show unequivocal evidence of another man's semen.
April 1996: Gibson petitions the governor-general to intervene and refer the case back to court. The Sunday Star-Times begins its campaign.
June 1996: The petition succeeds. Dougherty is granted another appeal.
August 1996: The appeal court quashes Dougherty's convictions saying the interpretation of the ESR results by the other three scientists is materially different from Stringer's. Dougherty is released.
January 1997: Melbourne scientist Stephen Gutowski does further testing on the samples and finds a clear profile of someone other than Dougherty in the semen on the girl's clothes and no evidence implicating Dougherty.
April 1997: A High Court jury acquits Dougherty on both charges.
November 1997: Justice Minister Doug Graham rejects Dougherty's bid for compensation, saying his innocence has yet to be proven on the balance of probabilities.
January 1998: Lawyers for Dougherty file for a judicial review of the minister's decision not to compensate.
October 1998: The Star-Times reveals the results of a lengthy police re-investigation into the case, which finds Dougherty's involvement in the crimes is "not an option".
November 1998: Graham rejects the police findings as "the musing of some cop", but refers Dougherty's claim for compensation to QC Stuart Grieve.
August 1999: Grieve asks for further DNA tests on the crime scene samples.
June 2000: The new DNA tests, carried out in Tasmania, show a clear profile of another man.
November 2000: Grieve finds Dougherty has proven his innocence on the balance of probabilities and recommends he receive compensation.
July 2001: The government announces a payout of $868,728 to Dougherty and apologises to him.
May 2003: Nicholas Reekie is found guilty of the 1992 rape and abduction of Dougherty's neighbour.

- Sunday Star Times


But you know something ? I bet all the Libbies were cheering when he was put away...I bet they never cheer when an innocent man is let out free.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2011 02:36 am
@Ionus,
What I love is Firefly position that almost nothing is as serous as rape including being label a rapist or even being lock up for years for a crime you did not do.

In one case she stated that it would be only four years for a false date rape conviction not 20 years is an example to point.

To me a rape is not a worst crime then someone who knowingly falsely charge a man with rape and with or without a conviction greatly harm his life and his family lives.

For that reason it surely should be punish far more harshly then filing a false police report over a lost wallet for example.

Take note that Firefly is happy with the existing minor slap on the wrist for such a misdeed.


Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2011 02:38 am
@BillRM,
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To me a rape is not a worst crime then someone who knowingly falsely charge a man with rape and with or without a conviction greatly harm his life and his family lives.
I would add it undermines the correct procedures for those who do rape. Cry wolf too often and no-one helps.
 

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