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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 11:48 pm
@BillW,
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The work task is the 9th step, only if the other person wants to hear it and it doesn't harm them.

that is logical nonsense...it is not possible to know if they want to hear it until you approach them and tell them what is on your mind, and you have no way to know how they will take it, if it will harm them. I should hope that AA is not promoting such Clap-Trap, but IDK...got any documentation to support your assertion?
Intrepid
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 11:50 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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They ruin their own lives by committing rapes.
Maybe, if they are racked by guilt before turning themselves in. If not the ruining of their lives comes from turning themselves in. We have a duty to seek self preservation, and when the collective is shown to be vengefully unjust our moral obligation is to not subject ourselves to the injustice when it is possible to escape the injustice. This is why Roman Polanski was morally right to depart America.


What a crock of dung. You provide evidence of mental illness post after post.
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BillW
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 11:50 pm
@hawkeye10,
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got any documentation to support your assertion?


The way I parse these threads - 351 pages worth!
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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 11:51 pm
@BillRM,
http://lifewithoutinstructions.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/dick-head.gif?w=370&h=520&h=520
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 11:51 pm
@Arella Mae,
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The fourth step in AA is we are willing to make amends except when to do so would harm others.


You mean the victim AM?

Why would anyone think that an honest require for forgiven for a 20 years old harm would hurt the victim?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 11:52 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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The work task is the 9th step, only if the other person wants to hear it and it doesn't harm them.

that is logical nonsense...it is not possible to know if they want to hear it until you approach them and tell them what is on your mind, and you have no way to know how they will take it, if it will harm them. I should hope that AA is not promoting such Clap-Trap, but IDK...got any documentation to support your assertion?


A sane person would have a good clue.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 11:53 pm
@BillRM,
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My second reaction was what is wrong with the victim who would still desire vengeance over a harm done to her 20 years ago.
wrong as in she has failed at her responsibility to progress to healing...but sadly we cheer these failed cases these days, we thoroughly enjoy feeling sorry for their wasted lives....shades of the Colosseum of Rome as the empire was falling, as we certainly need our diversions.

Not everyone will heal, some people will be distroyed by abuse, but these are people that we should feel sorry for, not champion as heroes....but as we all know the failures are the modern heroes, we build monuments to only the victims now.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 11:54 pm
@firefly,
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By putting rapists in prison--where they belong?


Putting a man in prison for a deed 20 years in the past is a wise or even sane used of limited resources?

firefly
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 12:05 am
@BillRM,
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Putting a man in prison for a deed 20 years in the past is a wise or even sane used of limited resources?

The "deed" was a serious felony that could have gotten him life in prison if he had been tried right after the rape occurred.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_KWitTL0LzpE/TJfQYZdHkwI/AAAAAAAAAOI/OTTV6jPrqBA/s1600/real+men+don%27t+rape.jpg

AND THEY DON"T LET MEN GET AWAY WITH RAPE EITHER
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 12:19 am
@firefly,
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The "deed" was a serious felony that could have gotten him life in prison if he had been tried right after the rape occurred


for comparison
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◦For rape defendants sentenced to prison, the average term imposed was just under 14 years. About 2% of convicted rapists received life sentences.


http://www.mincava.umn.edu/documents/sexoff/sexoff.html
did anyone get a life sentence for rape 20 years ago? I seriously doubt it, in fact I bet that it was not even possible. The claim is as I understand it the the full charge, which prosecutors could not make a case on because they don't have the evidence, could get him life today. Sentences for sex crimes today are several orders of magnitude harsher than they were decades ago however.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 12:51 am
@hawkeye10,
...because they finally wised up to how serious a crime it actually is!!!!!
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 01:02 am
@Intrepid,
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because they finally wised up to how serious a crime it actually is!!!!!
as if we are the best humans ever made, and our values are the best ever! *sarcasm*

We humans are constantly changing our minds about what bothers us most. At some point sex crimes will once again be considered relatively of little concern of the state. At some point we will stop trying to do the impossible by protecting our kids from all harm and damaging them for life in the process. At some point we will once again treat women as adults and expect them to behave has responsible adults....

Ebb and flow...thus is life.

But you folks who are sure that you are better than you fathers, and his father before him and his father before him are deluded nuts.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 01:04 am
@Intrepid,
Now, now Intrepid "his sovereign self" has told you how it is and you cannot argue with that. So surely someday, because his sovereign self said so, sex crimes will mean little to nothing.

What planet does he live on?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 01:23 am
@Arella Mae,
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Now, now Intrepid "his sovereign self"
If you are going to quote somebody you have an obligation to do it correctly, and if you are not up to the job then to not make the attempt.

The two possible quotes are

"the sovereignty of myself"
"the sovereignty of the individual"
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 01:24 am
@Intrepid,
I guess he forgot he is the one that used the term sovereign self. LOLOLOL!
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 01:28 am
@Arella Mae,
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I guess he forgot he is the one that used the term sovereign self.
Where?
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 01:29 am
@hawkeye10,
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At some point sex crimes will once again be considered relatively of little concern of the state...At some point we will once again treat women as adults and expect them to behave has responsible adults....


The female who was raped by William Nottingham Beebe was not an "adult", she was 17 at the time. She was also unconscious on a bed in a frat house when Beebe found her and raped her. He admitted she, "was in no condition to consent". Witnesses saw him on top of her. Witnesses saw him leaving the room with blood on his pants.

That was rape in 1984, and it is rape today. And 25 years from now it will still be rape.

The female did absolutely nothing "irresponsible"--she had no contact with Beebe prior to the rape. Beebe, on the other hand, knew what he did was wrong at the time, and it bothered him for over 20 years. He didn't try to excuse what he did.

It's time you regarded men as responsible adults and stopped making excuses for their assaultive violations of female's bodies. Assaults will always be the concern of the state, as they well should be.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 01:30 am
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She is throwing mud, as she has nothing else. She and Firefly both hope that they can discredit me by painting me as not one of you, but rather as a freak. What they both fail to understand is that my interest here are the same as everyone else's interest, which is to protect the sovereignty of myself from the attack upon it which comes from the team of the Feminists and the State. Even those who dont agree with me that it is time to put a stop to the erosion of individual rights none the less understand why the loss of rights is a concern, and withhold the right to stand up for protecting their own rights at some future time if they decide that they need to. No one is going to willingly give up control of their lives to the State once the state dictates start to run counter to individual needs, which has already happened for me.


Idiot.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 01:36 am
@Arella Mae,
I really don't know what to say to a person who does not understand that "the sovereignty of myself" is not the same thing as "sovereign self"....

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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 01:38 am
My statement stands. Idiot.
 

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