Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

This is how silly we are becoming in this country.

First, how is a droll with a large LED screen on it back a hidden device/camera?

Second, if a pedophile have enough access to a child to retreat video on an ongoing bases from the child droll you have far more problems then a droll with a camera in it!!!!

Third, how in the hell is videos product by this toy likely to be of a child porn nature or of interest to a pedophile more then any random film of a child?

CNN) -- The FBI is warning law agencies that the new Barbie "Video Girl" doll could be used as a tool by pedophiles to make child pornography.

In an alert entitled "Barbie 'Video Girl' a Possible Child Pornography Production Method," the FBI said the doll has a built-in hidden camera in the chest and a small LCD screen for video display in her back.

The FBI "cyber crime alert" doesn't cite any misuse of the doll, which has been on the market since July, but talks about the possibility. A conceal camera with a large led screen in it back of the droll how is that conceal?

"FBI investigation has revealed instances where an individual convicted of distributing child pornography had given a Barbie doll to a 6 year old girl," the alert said.

The document went on to cite the findings of another investigation that found "examples where a concealed video camera had recorded child pornography." That camera didn't involve a doll, FBI special agent Frederick Gutt in Seattle, Washington, said Friday.

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"The possibility of the combination of these two in a single device presents a concern for investigators," said the alert, dated November 30.

"Law enforcement is encouraged to be aware of unconventional avenues for possible production and possession of child pornography, such as the Barbie Video Girl," the document said.

The FBI regularly distributes such alerts to help investigators improve policing. No incidents involving the new doll have been reported, according to Gutt and another FBI special agent, Steve Dupre.

The doll's camera can capture 30 minutes of footage, and the video can be downloaded and streamed live to a computer, but there is no indication it can be streamed directly to the Internet, the FBI alert said.

The notice is written for law agencies only, but someone at the FBI mistakenly sent it to media outlets in Seattle, said Dupre of the FBI's Sacramento, California, office, which distributed the notice.

"It was an inadvertent dissemination of the document," Dupre said. "There have been no reported incidents of this doll being used as anything other than as intended."

Seattle media accounts of the FBI alert prompted some parents to express concerns about the doll.

"That plays into these people who prey upon our children's ideals. It frightens me," William Porres, a Tacoma, Washington, grandfather, told CNN affiliate KING. He said he will not buy the doll for his 6-year-old granddaughter.

"Oh, she would love it, but she's more important to me than a giggle on Christmas morning," Porres said.

A Mattel Inc. spokesman could not be reached for comment, but the toymaker issued a statement to KING:

"The FBI is not reporting that anything has happened. Steve Dupre from the FBI Sacramento field office has confirmed there have been no incidents of this doll being used as anything other than its intent. Mattel products are designed with children and their best interests in mind. Many of Mattel's employees are parents themselves and we understand the importance of child safety -- it is our number one priority," the statement said.

FBI special agent Gutt said the alert apprised other agencies about how the new doll's videotaping capabilities could contain evidence.

"The cyber alert was meant for law enforcement only and was taken out of context," Gutt said. "The intent was to aid law enforcement in evidence gathering."

The Mattel website says the $49.99 doll, for kids ages 6 and up, has been nominated for the 2011 Toy of the Year Award.

"Budding filmmakers, take note: Barbie doll now doubles as a video camera!" the website says. "Girls can record and play back clips with this multi-tasking doll, which has a video camera built right in. Capture everything from a doll's-eye-view, then watch it instantly or upload to your computer. There's an LCD screen on Barbie doll's back, and a camera lens hidden discreetly in her necklace. Talk about making movies in style!"

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I been looking at the beginning of this long long thread to see how it was going before I got involved and on page three repeat page three AM was going to place Hackeye on ignore at once!!!!!!!!!!!

I love that silly lady in a non-sexual way.

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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

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Did you report your rape? If not, why?
Who would believe me ? You ? That out of fear, a big bloke like me let a woman rape him because he was terrified that standing in court next to a little white girl the jury would believe HER not me. Would she have pleaded guilty or claimed I tried to rape her ? Which of us would a libbie like you believe ?

I might believe that she initiated sex. I do not believe you were raped. If you are such a big tough guy as you seem to indicated above, how would this little "white" girl (I assume you are intimating that you are not white) rape you?

Once a troll, always a troll.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

I been looking at the beginning of this long long thread to see how it was going before I got involved and on page three repeat page three AM was going to place Hackeye on ignore at once!!!!!!!!!!!

I love that silly lady in a non-sexual way.

It was going just fine before you got involved.

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@hawkeye10,

It is understandable that someone involved in the BDSM scene , like yourself, might be unable to distinguish between your preferred sexual preferences and crimes of interpersonal abuse and violence. However, most people can recognize the differences you fail to see, which is why we have laws to criminalize the sexual abuse of one person by another.

Sexual assaults and rape are profound violations of another person on every conceivable level--physical, psychological, and emotional. These acts are committed by people who disregard the well being and welfare of others in order to gratify their own needs--particularly for power and dominance--by sexually abusing and exploiting others. To understand why we need laws to control, deter, and punish such interpersonal assaults and violations is fairly obvious to most people.

One has to have a fairly warped and distorted attitude to view sexual assault laws as

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sexual regulation to gain more power for women

Laws to prevent unwanted unwanted sexual contact are characterized by you as "subjugating men".

In your world, apparently, there should be no regulation of interpersonal violence or violation by men--men, as you see it, should be allowed to assault and rape without fear of sanction or punishment, and the laws that control such criminal activity are merely designed to keep men "captives".

You are so embroiled in your own problems with your seemingly fragile sense of masculinity, and your own struggles to feel empowered and virile, that you cannot separate the most basic human rights from your own private gender war. You have no awareness that basic human rights, like the rights not to be assaulted, demeaned, violated, and abused by others, trump your need to gratify your purely selfish desires for momentary sexual release. This is not a gender issue, it is a human and civil rights issue--and you rather absurdly place your need to achieve organism above all else. For Hawkeye's momentary pleasure, let the laws, and the rights of others, be damned.

You have such an inflated and grandiose sense of yourself you actually think you are saying something of great moment and importance. You want sexual assault laws abolished so you can have "good sex"--because your tastes run toward the sexually aggressive, and the need to dominate, apparently with, or without, consent, since the laws cover only non consensual activity. Well, then by all means, we should get rid of the sexual assault and rape laws so Hawkeye can manage to have an organism. And perhaps we should abolish property laws as well, if those will enable you to have better bowel movements and avoid constipation. Your basic bodily functions should certainly come before the civil rights of others.

You state your own agenda rather well...

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The agenda is ALL. ABOUT. POWER....none about victims, who are nothing but a means to an end.

It sure is about power, and your rather pathological needs to try to feel powerful through fantasies of sexual domination and acts of sexual aggressiveness, regardless of whether these coincidence with the wishes of those partners you exploit as "a means to an end". Why bother with notions of "consent"--you find the need for freely willingly agreement from a partner "too broad" and "too open to interpretation". For you, there is no consideration of victims, because it is, "ALL ABOUT POWER"--your own sense of power. And to make sure that you feel POWER, we must abolish those rape laws. How much more grandiose and narcissistic can you get?

You are one sick dude.

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@firefly,

I would suggest that Hawkeye acts like a teenager. But, that would be a disservice to teenagers everywhere.

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@firefly,

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You are one sick dude.

I am more then sure that Hawkeye can deal with you my lady and your insults however it is amusing how anyone who get off on one rape story after another can call anyone else sick.

Given also that there are 70,000 or so reported rapes a year you are in no danger of running out of them even if the numbers does not approach the millions you and others feminist have claims it does.

Hell if your beloved figure that one in 1 in 16 of all female colleges students are rape every year that number would be around 650,000 ten times or so the reported rapes for the whole population in any given year.

No there is not a reason in the world to question such surveys results.

Beside the rapes stories let see how must more incorrect information you can put out to try to frighten people.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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You are one sick dude.

I am more then sure that Hawkeye can deal with you my lady and your insults however it is amusing how anyone who get off on one rape story after another can call anyone else sick.

Given also that there are 70,000 or so reported rapes a year you are in no danger of running out of them even if the numbers does not approach the millions you and others feminist have claims it does.

Hell if your beloved figure that one in 1 in 16 of all female colleges students are rape every year that number would be around 650,000 ten times or so the reported rapes for the whole population in any given year.

No there is not a reason in the world to question such surveys results.

One would have to wonder why you read those posts if you believe that rape is not wrong. What titillation do you derive from the posts and from the thread? You contribute nothing but keep coming back. I would have to go with the sick dude scenario.

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This case is almost a classic acquaintance rape...along with attempts to trash the victim's reputation and to claim the sex "was consensual" and the rape charge a case of "buyers remorse". One difference in this case was that the rapist was the assistant chief of police, and the individual who assisted to aid the rape was the chief of police. It illustrates why we need the "date rape" laws, that do not require extreme force, and why we need the rape shield laws that limit irrelevant questioning of a victim's past sexual history.

The rapists' appeal was just denied..

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Ex-officers' convictions in Creston rape case will stand
By LUCAS GRUNDMEIER
November 25, 2010

The sexual abuse convictions of two former Creston police officers were upheld Wednesday by the Iowa Court of Appeals.

James Christensen, 43, the city's former police chief, and former assistant chief John Sickels, 41, were found guilty in March 2009. Sickels raped a country club bartender as Christensen watched and tried to quiet the victim, prosecutors said. Sickels had contended the sex was consensual, and Christensen testified that he stumbled upon the two after a trip to the restroom.

Both were sentenced last year to 25 years in prison. A district court rejected their demand for a new trial earlier, and the Court of Appeals affirmed the rulings Wednesday.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20101125/NEWS01/11250350/-1/SPORTS09/Ex-officers-convictions-in-Creston-rape-case-will-stand

This was the trial...they had apparently banked on being able to discredit the account of the victim, who had been drinking, but the rapists wound up ensnared in their own inconsistent stories and lies to investigators and consequently destroyed their own credibility.

This was the prosecution's version of the scenario that occurred that night:
Sickels and Christensen were the only customers at the country club's bar around closing time when Sickels requested that a female employee perform a sex act on both men and she refused.
The men allegedly blocked the woman's exit from the bar area and then Sickels left that area apparently to lock the door to the country club. Upon his return Sickels had forced sexual intercourse with the woman while Christensen "held her hand, stroked her hair and 'shushed her,"' The woman verbally stated her non consent several times.

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Former Creston Iowa Chief/Assistant Chief get 25 years for Rape case
Ex-Creston officers each get 25 years in rape case
By TOM ALEX
May 21, 2009

Two former Creston police officers convicted for their roles in the rape of a country club bartender were each sentenced Wednesday to 25 years in prison.

A jury of nine women and three men in Sioux City found James Christensen, the city's former police chief, and John Sickels, the former assistant chief, guilty in March of second-degree sexual abuse. Prosecutors contended that Sickels, 39, raped the woman at the Crestmoor Country Club on April 18, 2008, after the club had closed. Prosecutors alleged that Christensen, 41, stroked the woman's hair and tried to quiet her during the incident.

The men were told Wednesday they must serve a minimum of 14 years each before they are eligible for release, and their names will be on the state sex offender registry for the rest of their lives.

Both defendants read statements before the sentences were handed down, but neither apologized to the victim.

Sickels criticized the trial as unfair and said "the system failed me." Christensen told the packed courtroom, which included 30 or more members of the Iowa Coalition Against Sexual Assault, that he was sorry his relatives and friends "had to endure this."

The men have 30 days to appeal. Both will stay in jail without bond during the appeal process.

"Justice was not served here today," Sickels' mother, Janet Jackson, said after the hearing. "I'm proud of him and what he's done for the community. This was a setup from day one. You have two police officers with impeccable records, and one night of drinking that led to consensual sex.

"She lied and she lied on the stand."

The Des Moines Register does not name rape victims without their permission.

"We are pleased to see a measure of justice brought for a survivor who experienced sexual violence at the hands of someone who was supposed to protect her," the coalition's Catherine Fribley said. "It's difficult to report people who are in prominent and important positions."

A statement read on behalf of the 45-year-old victim by Candis Lockard, victim-witness coordinator with the Iowa attorney general's office, said she feels that she "sticks out like an elephant" in Creston and lives in fear of confrontation and retaliation. The woman said she is unemployed, in therapy, and takes medication to deal with the trauma.

The statement said she feels as if the ordeal has resulted in a "life sentence" of pain.

The officers' arrests in June sent shock waves through Creston, a southwest Iowa town of about 8,000. Christensen and Sickels were fired after they were charged. The trial was moved from Union County to Woodbury County to ensure fairness.

The verdict capped an eight-day trial that was often contentious. Four hours of closing arguments became so heated that Judge Arthur Gamble twice sent jurors out of the courtroom so he could referee disagreements among the attorneys.

Sickels' lawyer charged that prosecutors deliberately tried to mislead jurors about which side was responsible to prove Sickels' guilt. Defense lawyers also raised questions during the trial about the accuser's statements, her reported drunken memory lapses in the past, and the tactics used by state investigators.

Prosecutors cited conflicting statements from Sickels and Christensen about the incident, their admitted request that night for oral sex, and the woman's unwavering story.

Sickels initially denied that he had sex with the woman, then twice changed his story when questioned by a state agent. Both men argued in court papers that prosecutors misstated facts and denied them a fair trial.

But Gamble ruled Tuesday that the prosecutors broke no rules and that the evidence was fairly presented.

It wasn't just a "he said, she said" case, Gamble wrote, and the conviction was supported by ample evidence that included Sickels' admission that he had sex with the woman.

"Given the physical evidence at the crime scene and the admissions of the defendants, the state's case was strong," according to Gamble's ruling. "The complainant's testimony was credible. Her statements to the DCI, her deposition testimony and her trial testimony were consistent on her central allegation of sexual abuse. The testimony of the defendants was neither consistent nor credible."
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/art...NEWS/905210360

Certainly, an assistant chief of police and a police chief are well aware of the rape laws and the need for consent. They simply thought they could get away with it. In his statement to the court prior to his sentencing, the assistant chief of police, who actually commited the rape, made this self serving, unremorseful, victim blaming statement:

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Sickel's Statement
"For 12 years, I have a spotless record as a police officer in Creston, Iowa. I believe that the laws that I swore to uphold and I believed in other law enforcement agencies and the legal system in Iowa as a whole. That system has failed me. The interpretation of the rape shield laws in Iowa unfairly kept key information out of this trial. That information alone would have given the jury reasonable doubt that a crime was ever committed on that night," said Sickels.

"On the night of April 18, I had consensual sex with a drunk woman who later regretted it. I'm not guilty of raping (woman's name). I'm only guilty of being drunk that night, of bad judgment and worst of all cheating on my wife," said Sickels.

"I'd also like to thank my wife and my children and my supporters, and I love you all. And I'm sorry of the mess that this has caused. But I love you all," said Sickels. http://www.kcci.com/r/19506195/detail.html

And then he, and the police chief who aided the rape, were both sentenced to 25 years--of which they must serve at least 17.

This case did not claim non consent due to intoxication--the victim had clearly verbally indicated the sex was unwanted.

And, obviously, a defense of trying to claim the victim had "buyers remorse" just didn't fool the jury.

Blaming the victim, blaming the rape shield laws, and blaming the system are all the excuses of a rapist who will not take responsibility for his own actions.

"No means no"--plain and simple. And the rape laws will back that up. And when it is the police who violate those laws, they will be punished just like everyone else.

And, the victim in this case has also instituted a civil suit for damages against both of these men as well as the police department in the town.

Can you imagine living in a small town of 8,700 people and being raped by the assistant chief of police while the chief of police aided and watched? To whom do you report the crime? This woman went through a horrible ordeal, including the trial. Her life became a nightmare. I am glad her rapists are behind bars.I hope she wins her civil suit as well.

This one case neatly sums up all the rape myths and victim blaming that provoked this thread in the first place. It also shows why "date rape" laws are needed and that they can be successfully used to put rapists behind bars--even when the rapists are the ones who should be enforcing those laws and not violating them.

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@Intrepid,

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One would have to wonder why you read those posts if you believe that rape is not wrong. What titillation do you derive from the posts and from the thread? You contribute nothing but keep coming back. I would have to go with the sick dude scenario.

Would you like to point out where I had stated real rape as in the stories that Firefly had been postings for the most part here in not wrong?

Now beside rape being wrong the outright giving out of nonsensical information about a rape crisis existing at the same time reported rapes is at a thirty years low is wrong very wrong in my opinion at least.

Trying to frighten the population with false information to help you push through a program of unfair and insane sex laws is not something a moral person would dream of doing in my opinion either.

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@firefly,

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It sure is about power, and your rather pathological needs to try to feel powerful through fantasies of sexual domination and acts of sexual aggressiveness, regardless of whether these coincidence with the wishes of those partners you exploit as "a means to an end

My agenda is to pursue equality of the sexes and to rebuff the further installation through sex law of the tyranny of the state over the individual.

I have not read this book but it looks interesting

Confronting Rape: The Feminist Anti-Rape Movement and the State (International Library of Sociology) [Hardcover]Nancy A. Matthews 1994

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Confronting Rape, documents two decades of anti-rape activism, from grass-roots efforts to the institutionalization of state-funded rape-crisis centers. Nancy Mathews' book explores, through a close study of six rape crisis centers in Los Angeles, how the state has influenced rape crisis work by supporting the therapeutic aspects of the anti-rape movement's agenda, and pushing feminist rape crisis centers toward conventional frameworks of social service provision, while ignoring the feminist political agenda of transforming gender relations and preventing rape.

http://www.amazon.com/Confronting-Rape-Anti-Rape-International-Sociology/dp/0415064910/ref=sr_1_36?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1291743624&sr=1-36

Of course we all know that it was around this time that the rape feminists made an end run around the states through the VAWA, which jumped up spending on the rape industry through Federal funding of it that comes with extensive strings attached. It was no surprise that after VAWA that the feminist agenda became institutionalized in the rape crisis centers all across this nation, some of which had till that point resisted.... as well as in state legislatures. Money talks, the one with the gold (the feds in cahoots with the feminists in this case) makes the rules.

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@Intrepid,

Intrepid real rape sadly happen but so does this nonsense and the rush to judgment see below.

As this bullshit can result in anything up to driving an innocent young man to suicide it is just as serous as a rape.
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Ex-college student sues female cop for arresting him on sexual assault charge, claiming she was motivated by a "personal agenda"

This is a disturbing story that raises yet more questions about young men's vulnerabilities to law enforcement officials when it comes to false rape claims. We've seen young men destroyed because of rape lies by unscrupulous district attorneys; SANE nurses; college sexual assault counselors; and police. Most of the time, law enforcement officials get it right, but when any of the above go astray, it can be disastrous for the young men involved. It is too easy to lay all the blame for harm to victims of false rape claims on troubled, morally bankrupt, or vengeful false rape accusers. Young men need to be able to rely on law enforcement officials, who are supposed to protect them from false claims, to do the right thing. The lawsuit referenced below suggests that some police officers might inappropriately act as advocates for false rape claim victims as opposed to objective peace keepers.

A former La Crosse college student is suing the city of La Crosse, its police department, and a female police officer for an alleged false arrest on sexual assault charges. The lawsuit filed by Travis Kranz, who was 21-years-old at the time of the incident, accuses La Crosse police officer Teri Roden of violating his due process rights in connection with an arrest on March 20, 2009 outside a tavern.

The lawsuit accuses Roden of negligence for failing to review the bar security video and intentionally inflicting emotional distress on Kranz. It also alleges false imprisonment for the days Kranz spent in jail, and invasion of privacy and defamation for any media publicity.

The newspaper report of the incident states: "Travis T. Kranz, 21, of 223 West Ave. N., was charged Friday with third degree sexual assault and several misdemeanors. Kranz is accused of groping a woman Friday at a tavern on Pearl Street. He also is accused of punching a man who tried to intervene, according to the complaint."

According to the newspaper report about Mr. Kranz's suit: "Kranz was removed from Brother’s Bar at 306 Pearl St. after a brief physical altercation with another man on a date with a woman who later said she was assaulted by Kranz. The intoxicated woman initially did not report the incident, then told Roden that Kranz had sexually assaulted her with his hand during the brief period they danced together inside the tavern, according to the suit. The suit accuses [Officer] Roden of pressuring the woman to 'invent additional facts that would justify more serious charges' against Kranz. Roden arrested Kranz on a felony sexual assault charge. Attorney Christopher Doerfler called the woman’s account 'completely implausible' and 'impossible.' The assault is not seen on video surveillance from the bar and no witnesses corroborated her account, the suit states. 'Officer Roden acted in a manner that demonstrates she was motivated by a personal agenda rather than a search for the truth,' the suit states."

Again, according to the news report of the incident: "Several media outlets covered Kranz’s arrest and the news spread quickly through the University of Wisconsin-La Crosse and his hometown. He became suicidal, distraught and struggled at school, according to the lawsuit. 'He used to be a happy, outgoing person,' the suit states. Two sexual assault charges filed against Kranz later were dismissed by prosecutors but remain listed on online court records. Kranz, who planned to be an attorney, dropped out of college because of the stress of the case, the suit states. 'This incident is going

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@BillRM,

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Now beside rape being wrong the outright giving out of nonsensical information about a rape crisis existing at the same time reported rapes is at a thirty years low is wrong very wrong in my opinion at least.

Trying to frighten the population with false information to help you push through a program of unfair and insane sex laws is not something a moral person would dream of doing in my opinion either.

As this thread draws to a close, as far as I am concerned, let's put an end to your continuous lying.

No one has ever claimed there is a "rape crisis". You've asserted it, but no one has said it. Your claim is A LIE.

I have posted no false information. Whatever rape statistics I posted have been from the most reputable government sources, including the U.S. Justice department. Your claim is A LIE.

No one has been trying to "push through a program" of any laws. In this thread, we have tried to educate people about the currently existing sexual assault laws, as well as the specific wording of state laws because people should know exactly what those laws say. Your claims are A LIE.

The incidence of rape has decreased over the past decades because currently existing rape laws have been effective. But rape continues to be a crime which continues to devastate victims and it remains under-reported and under-prosecuted. Your claim that the current laws are "insane" is not only absurd, it's also A LIE.

Your contributions to the discussion of rape in this thread have been nil.

You can't even lie well. Laughing

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@firefly,

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I have posted no false information. Whatever rape statistics I posted have been from the most reputable government sources, including the U.S. Justice department. Your claim is A LIE.

Bullshit it is a study pay for by a grant by that department and full of nonsense once more a vast majority of the women who is listed in this survey and similar surveys in the past do not consider themselves rape victims and this is not denial by the authors of this silliness either!

Forty repeat forty percents or so of the women listed as being rape victims is still in ongoing relationships after the survey run with the men who the survey had label as their rapists! That is not in question by the authors of this nonsense also.

If the study would happen to be correct over 650,000 women attending universities every year would need to be rape victims roughly ten times the reported yearly rape numbers for the whole damn country!

Just because the so call Justice Department gave a grant to feminists to come up with a study that on it face is nonsense for all the reasons given about does not mean that the results are correct or useful.

Sorry it is useful to you Firefly but not to anyone who wish to know the real situation.

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@firefly,

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Your claim that the current laws are "insane" is not only absurd, it's also A LIE.

Small footnote you can lie about an opinion?

You can lied about the facts that an opinion is base on but not the opinion itself.

Oh so you still support the study that 650,000 women are rape on college campuses every year?

The math is simple take the total female population of college campuses and mult. by 1/16.

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@BillRM,

If you want to know the "real situation" go back and read the last news story I posted on this page--the two cops sentenced to 25 years each for rape--an acquaintance rape. They tried to claim she was drunk, consented to sex, then changed her mind and brought a rape charge--just like the nonsense you assert, to try to conceal the fact that real rapes are occurring.

Well, it didn't work for them, and it won't work for you. The only thing you've convinced people of is the fact that you're an idiot and a very bad liar.

The sexual assault laws will remain on the books. And this thread has helped people to understand exactly what those laws say, rather than the BS you would have them believe. It has served its purpose.

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I am all for voluntary abandoning this thread for now. We have framed the debate, we have given indication of why this subject is so little discussed in any meaningful way, we have shown that neither the facts nor the terms have been agreed to by the various sides which of course precludes any settling of the debate.

I thank Robert and the a2k staff for allowing this debate to take place. While this debate has been rambunctious some of the best debates are, and having debate and discussion on controversial topics without policing them with political correctness is critical to the health of any democracy, is critical for allowing free men and women to remain free.

While I take great exception to Firefly in this thread, namely her lack of honesty, lack of willingness to define terms, and her objecting to being called a rape feminist after she says almost nothing that does not come directly from the rape feminists talking points....I have found her in other threads to be fair and sensible. I can only surmise that her poor showing in this thread is due to some combination of emotional swamping and being blinded by career passion, as it is fairly clear that she is either employed by the rape industry or is closely connected to it.

I will follow FireFlys lead...if she leaves the fray so will I.

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@firefly,

Sorry real rapes do happen even by cops that does not change the fact that the surveys results and the numbers you had posted are complete nonsense or that the old sexual assaults laws are more then able to deal with such happenings.

Now the changes in the laws and the further changes in the laws you are still trying to get pass will remain on the books until too many women son, brothers and uncles and fathers are unfairly caught up in them.

Sadly, many lives of men innocent of any wrong doings by any sane standards will be harm or destroy first but the counter pressure is building as you had witness here.

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@hawkeye10,

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is fairly clear that she is either employed by the rape industry or is closely connected to it.

The "rape industry"? There's a "rape industry"? Laughing

You are very far off the mark. You know absolutely nothing about me, and, whatever intuition you have, isn't operating very well. My "career passion" is in a quite different area.

You fail to understand that most people want these laws. It's not a small group, it's not "rape feminists", it's most people.

That's why they just revised the sexual assault laws in Scotland--to help them better cover situations like date rapes. These are real rapes and real people all over the world are concerned that they are happening to real victims.

Rapes occur in all sorts of situations and laws are needed to deter and punish these assaultive violations.

Rape is non consensual sex. "No means no". Only the rapist is to blame for the rape.

That's been the only "message" and I do think we've gotten it across quite well.

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@firefly,

I am well aware of your position.....now, are you ready to leave this thread?

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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

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