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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 19 Sep, 2010 04:20 pm
Well Bill, I refuse to make a statement that women are good and men are evil. I'm guessing you didn't understand the last post I made. Perhaps just picked out a word or two to bolster this sham of male v female argument. I am painfully aware that some women have made false accusations against some men, and that type of reckless behaviour is very damaging to women who have been abused. I think it is juvenile to make bald statements as proof of anything. I don't know what your reason is for posting here, maybe you want someone to counter every wrong you can find perpetrated by a woman against a man. Personally, I already have too many instances of the reverse happening to even begin posting here. Frankly, even if I did it would be just as meaningless to the core argument as the ones you have listed. I don't think anyone would disagree that bad things, sometimes very very bad things happen to people, but to use any argument to somehow justify a rape is incredible. Maybe the crime of theft can be seen in degrees, as in someone stealing a loaf of bread because they are starving versus someone stealing the entire estate of a muddled old man leaving him destitute. Maybe that's a crime you can assign shades of gray, but rape is the violation of another person without their permission.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 19 Sep, 2010 04:30 pm
@glitterbag,
Very well put!
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 19 Sep, 2010 05:06 pm
Thank you AM, I think rational folks can understand, which give me little hope of making sense to an unfortunate few. How long before you think someone (wink wink) will have to respond with another instance of females gone wild.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 19 Sep, 2010 05:51 pm
@glitterbag,
Actually, I am surprised someone hasn't already.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 19 Sep, 2010 06:26 pm
Well it's early, maybe some are in the middle of the afternoon nap, and the other,,,,well lets just say the cocktail hour isn't over yet.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sun 19 Sep, 2010 06:48 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

I'm not going to mention any names, but somebody here is exhibiting the same type of scorn regarding women usually only seen in Taliban camps.


You must be referring to Dickless Billy. His brain must have been fried long ago and he takes his ineptness out on women. A rather pathetic creature, actually.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 19 Sep, 2010 06:53 pm
Bill, it would be really helpful if you could throw in some punctuation. And if it's not too much to ask, could you please try to adhere (at least a little) to rules of English grammar. If English is not your first language, please accept my apology, I have been known to make many mistakes when I am trying to communicate in a foreign language. If English is indeed your native tongue, well I can't make any sense of whatever it is you last posted.

That being said, I'm sure we could have a great time trading wit and wisdom, alas, I don't know what the rules are for speaking gibberish.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 19 Sep, 2010 07:19 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

Bill, it would be really helpful if you could throw in some punctuation. And if it's not too much to ask, could you please try to adhere (at least a little) to rules of English grammar. If English is not your first language, please accept my apology, I have been known to make many mistakes when I am trying to communicate in a foreign language. If English is indeed your native tongue, well I can't make any sense of whatever it is you last posted.

That being said, I'm sure we could have a great time trading wit and wisdom, alas, I don't know what the rules are for speaking gibberish.
Most of the rest of us have decided to ignore THEM and vote their posts down since they couldn't even keep to the topic. I decided to permanently ignore them when they were so heartlessly cruel to BBB.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sun 19 Sep, 2010 08:41 pm
@Arella Mae,
Arella Mae wrote:

glitterbag wrote:

Bill, it would be really helpful if you could throw in some punctuation. And if it's not too much to ask, could you please try to adhere (at least a little) to rules of English grammar. If English is not your first language, please accept my apology, I have been known to make many mistakes when I am trying to communicate in a foreign language. If English is indeed your native tongue, well I can't make any sense of whatever it is you last posted.

That being said, I'm sure we could have a great time trading wit and wisdom, alas, I don't know what the rules are for speaking gibberish.
Most of the rest of us have decided to ignore THEM and vote their posts down since they couldn't even keep to the topic. I decided to permanently ignore them when they were so heartlessly cruel to BBB.
I prefer thumbing the offensive **** down individually. If enough people do; newcomers whose settings filter out the really unpopular content will never know these idiots exist. The spamming troll doesn't even realize his BS is affecting virtually no one. What a damn fool he must be.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 19 Sep, 2010 08:59 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
I hear ya Bill. He's made it quite clear what type of fool he is.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 19 Sep, 2010 09:35 pm
I think Bill is trying to tell me something, but I cannot make out what it is he is trying to say, all I'm gathering so far is "there are no honest women"...I hope I'm mistaken, because it would be really sad if his mother was dishonest, (hang and then shake my head to show how saddened I am over the terrible experience that life must be for bill...HIS OWN MOTHER!!!).

If anyone else is still following this ridiculous exercise of "I know you are but what am I", and IF you can follow the stuff that bill posts, would you let me know. But then again, I really can't ask anyone to do something I wouldn't do....read back thru all this nonsense. I'm heading off to bed, got a big today tomorrow, psssssst just for us women folk, I'm gonna attend one of the secret meetings we gals have, to brainstorm on how to make decent mens lives miserable. I'm going to suggest we stop the unfounded rape stories and substitute something else....working on a few things and as soon as my sons and husband gives me the ok...I''ll head off to the meeting.

Later I'll take a poll on how many people see this as satire and how many believe there really are secret meetings where women conspire.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 20 Sep, 2010 12:37 am
@glitterbag,
Your secret is safe with me. Billy wouldn't understand anyhow.

Wink
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 20 Sep, 2010 12:47 am
Quote:

Rapist of 3 girls is guilty on all counts
Prosecutor calls Penn Hills man a 'monster'
Friday, September 17, 2010
By Paula Reed Ward, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

For the defense attorney, she asked the jurors to remember that her client is human.

"Michael Lipinski is someone's son. He has a mother. He has a father. He's someone's brother. He's someone's husband. He has children," said Assistant Public Defender Michelle Collins. "The human element transcends [the charges against him]."

But Allegheny County Deputy District Attorney Laura Ditka told the jury deciding Mr. Lipinski's fate that he was anything but human.

Calling him at times "a monster," and "the bogeyman," she told the jury of six men and six women that there was no doubt that Mr. Lipinski is guilty.

"This case has been proven not beyond a reasonable doubt. Not beyond most doubt, but beyond any and all doubt," Ms. Ditka said.

The jurors must have believed her. After deliberating for less than two hours over lunch, they found Mr. Lipinski, 40, of Penn Hills, guilty on all charges.

He will be sentenced by Judge Jeffrey A. Manning on Dec. 13.

Mr. Lipinski was charged with the rapes of three girls, ages 3, 9 and 17, between 1998 and 2005. Their cases remained unsolved until February 2009, when a national DNA database found a match between evidence in each girl's case and Mr. Lipinski.

A few months earlier, he was required to provide a DNA sample to the state Department of Corrections after being convicted of another sexual assault.

"Thank God for the DNA database," Ms. Ditka said following the verdict. "This is every parent's nightmare. You're at home in the one place you're supposed to be safe."

Mr. Lipinski, who told detectives his aggressive sexual behavior was fueled by drug use, broke into the homes of all three victims in the middle of the night while they were sleeping.

In the case of the 17-year-old, Ms. Ditka told the jury, on Aug. 28, 1998, Mr. Lipinski entered the girl's East Hills home, where she was sleeping in her mom's bed. He held a butcher knife to her throat and raped her.

In the next instance, on April 11, 2002, Ms. Ditka said Mr. Lipinski entered a house in Wilkinsburg and snatched a 3-year-old out of a bed where she was sleeping with her mother and little brother. The girl was raped and left alone in Highland Park, where she was found hours later by a passer-by.

Stretching out the little girl's sleeper pajamas along the front rail of the jury box, she went on, "She was that big."

On Nov. 13, 2005, a 9-year-old girl was taken from her Brighton Heights home and was sexually assaulted.

"Only someone inhumane would walk in and snatch that 9-year-old," Ms. Ditka said, after recounting the details of the girl's attack. "Does any piece of that sound like anything other than a monster?"

In urging the jurors to convict, Ms. Ditka asked them to consider what the victims think about when they go to bed.

"I can tell you what they think of," she said. "They think of the bogeyman. Give them a reason to close their eyes and think of something better. Give them a reason to sleep safe for the first time in years. Give them a reason to think justice really exists."

Ms. Collins, who called no witnesses for Mr. Lipinski, attempted in her closing to poke holes in the prosecution's case.

She wondered why investigators never found fingerprints at any of the crime scenes, and why they didn't record her client making what the prosecution has claimed were incriminating statements.

Further, Ms. Collins asked how it was possible that a stranger would break into two of the homes in which there were dogs, but neither of the dogs barked.

"There are some pieces of the puzzle that are missing," she said.

As for the DNA evidence, she questioned its reliability and why the rates in the population varied from the different samples from which it was taken -- blood, saliva and semen.

"Aren't these numbers the same in every situation?" Ms. Collins asked.

But Ms. Ditka discounted that argument. She told the jury the DNA evidence was so strong that there wouldn't be another person matching the profile found on the evidence on more than two Earths.

"Only one person in the entire population of the Earth could have done it," she said. "It's Michael Lipinski."

After the verdict was read, Ms. Collins said the defendant had been offered a plea deal to avoid a trial that would have resulted in a 20- to 45-year sentence. He rejected the plea because he told Ms. Collins "he couldn't plead guilty to something he didn't do."

He now faces a sentence that is considerably longer, perhaps more than 100 years.

After the trial, Ms. Ditka said she hopes that for the victims, being able to testify against their attacker will help them.

"I think for the first time in a number of years, they got the power back," she said.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10260/1088165-455.stm
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 20 Sep, 2010 12:59 am
It is heartening that Facebook is being used to offer support to the victim of the gang rape in Canada.

Quote:

Thousands offer support for victim of alleged gang rape
By: ctvbc.ca
Date: Sunday Sep. 19, 2010

A 16-year-old girl who was allegedly gang raped in B.C. last weekend is receiving an outpouring of support on the same website where hurtful comments and pictures of the attack began circulating days earlier.

Mounties believe the girl was sexually assaulted by as many as seven men at a teen rave party in Pitt Meadows on Sept. 10. Photos of the incident were uploaded to Facebook, where users posted comments alleging the girl "asked for it" and branding her a "complete slut."

But others have come forward to offer kind words, and a group called "Support for 16yr old victim in Pitt Meadows" had gathered more than 2,950 members by Sunday afternoon.

"That which dose not kill us makes us stronger," Chrissy Rombough-Morgan wrote. "Show them how strong you can be."

"Every morning when the sun rises you will awaken a stronger woman, and find courage and a dignity within yourself that you never knew you had," Angele Reynolds added.

But even in the support group, some have chosen to ignite debates about whether the teen girl consented.

"All we have is a rape kit, which can have varying results depending on the nature of the sex," Kelly King said in a group discussion. "You are all jumping to conclusions … you are all ready to serve up innocent people without any proof."

Police have adamantly denied such allegations. Insp. Derren Lench told reporters at a Friday press conference that "it's very clear from her physical injuries and her recollection of it and the evidence that we've collected that she was not a willing participant."

"It's very clear she was raped by more than one individual and there was no consent at all."

Police also believe the girl was under the influence of drugs, but are awaiting the results of a toxicology report.

Meanwhile, authorities have been desperately trying to have the photos – which constitute child pornography -- scrubbed from the internet.

They have been collaborating with technical crime experts in Ottawa and Facebook staff directly, but say there's an uphill battle ahead and the photos may remain on the internet forever. http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100919/bc_rape_support_100919/20100919?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

 

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