Roman Polanski free

This thread has a particular topic. I am trying to keep to topic.

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This thread has a particular topic. I am trying to keep to topic.

As I mentioned,

The topics developed in this thread address whether people who rape should be held accountable for their actions. It is right on topic to wonder if this applies to anyone and everyone.

Am I mistaken or did you not discuss a murderer who escaped justice for some 18 years? How would that differ from what I'm asking you about?

I was addressing someone that had made a comment about someone should possibly go free if they could elude capture long enough and not commit other crimes and I asked if they felt the same way in a murder case.

You want to talk injustices? Sure, I can make a list. Where do you want to start? I'm not going to list them in order of importance but just as they come to me.

Of course! ANYONE and EVERYONE should be held accountable for their crimes. I don't care who they are.

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Of course! ANYONE and EVERYONE should be held accountable for their crimes. I don't care who they are.

Thank you for your reply, Arella Mae.

To clarify, and to keep this at a manageable level, you are saying that all the US government politicians and officials, CIA agents and anyone else who funded, trained and offered material support to the Contras should be held accountable for their crimes, which included the torture, rape and murder of innocent men, women and children.

Please tell me why right now I feel like a little fish being lured into the mouth of a shark?

Remember; "Of course! ANYONE and EVERYONE should be held accountable for their crimes. I don't care who they are".

Samantha Geimer, now a mother of three in her 40s, has repeatedly asked for the case to be dropped. Switzerland on Monday refused to hand him over and freed him after months of house arrest.

"I am satisfied with this decision and I hope that the district attorney will now close the case and get it over once and for all," Geimer told French radio Europe 1.

Polanski pleaded guilty to having sex with Geimer, who was 13 at the time, after giving her champagne and drugs.

He fled before sentencing in 1978, saying he believed the judge would renege on a plea agreement under which the 42 days he had spent in detention for psychiatric assessment would constitute his full sentence.

Polanski's wife, French actress and singer Emmanuelle Seigner, said in an interview with the newspaper Liberation that the Swiss decision was a huge relief.

"It's the end of a nightmare, above all for our two children," she was quoted as saying. "I could not imagine another outcome. Today, the Swiss authorities have realized the injustice of this affair."

Polanski's release was widely welcomed in France, where the director has been a citizen and long-time resident.

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Please tell me why right now I feel like a little fish being lured into the mouth of a shark?

On the contrary, Arella Mae, you seemed to have made an adult decision to speak in an honest and forthright manner.

Remember; "Of course! ANYONE and EVERYONE should be held accountable for their crimes. I don't care who they are".

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Remember; "Of course! ANYONE and EVERYONE should be held accountable for their crimes. I don't care who they are".

Justice requires that the greater good be taken into account, you keep forgetting that part JTT. The goal here is justice, it is not the hanging of everyone who we have a right to hang. The latter is the goal of those who are out for blood, not justice.

Yes I did JTT. I am not disputing that. However, we both know that the way you phrase your questions are for a certain intent. Are you a lawyer by any chance?

I believe injustice is wrong no matter what. Not a single one of us can champion every cause there is. We must all pick our battles and wars. This particular one seems to be yours and that's okay with me. Quite frankly, I know I don't know as much about it as you do and you would; therefore, pretty much be the big shark eating up this little fish. I do admire your zeal.

I don't mean to abuse you with verbal violence, but you have to understand what your government and its agents are doing. They go into villages, they haul out families. With the children forced to watch they castrate the father, they peel the skin off his face, they put a grenade in his mouth and pull the pin. With the children forced to watch they gang-rape the mother, and slash her breasts off. And sometimes for variety, they make the parents watch while they do these things to the children.

This is nobody's propaganda. There have been over 100,000 American witnesses for peace who have gone down there and they have filmed and photographed and witnessed these atrocities immediately after they've happened, and documented 13,000 people killed this way, mostly women and children. These are the activities done by these contras. The contras are the people president Reagan calls `freedom fighters'. He says they're the moral equivalent of our founding fathers. And the whole world gasps at this confession of his family traditions.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Stockwell/StockwellCIA87_2.html

That is a piece of nonsense that has been rejected by every court that has ever sat. It is a piece of nonsense both in fact and in legal theory.

The most fundamental principle of justice—one that has been widely accepted since it was first defined by Aristotle more than two thousand years ago—is the principle that "equals should be treated equally and unequals unequally

Sometimes principles of justice may need to be overridden in favor of other kinds of moral claims such as rights or society's welfare.

Read the whole article before you go and embarrass yourself further.

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Yes I did JTT. I am not disputing that. However, we both know that the way you phrase your questions are for a certain intent. Are you a lawyer by any chance?

Did what, Arella Mae?

Sorry JTT, I should have said yes, I do (remember saying what I said).

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I believe injustice is wrong no matter what. Not a single one of us can champion every cause there is. We must all pick our battles and wars. This particular one seems to be yours and that's okay with me. Quite frankly, I know I don't know as much about it as you do and you would; therefore, pretty much be the big shark eating up this little fish. I do admire your zeal.

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You're backtracking. You don't know much about the Polanski affair but you were more than willing to give your opinions on how the situation should be handled. My question to you is no different.

I don't recall saying I don't know much about the Polanski affair. I do know I know more about it than I do the Contras.

Here's a little background info to bring this into focus for you, to bring you as much up to speed as you are on the Polanski issue:

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I don't mean to abuse you with verbal violence, but you have to understand what your government and its agents are doing. They go into villages, they haul out families. With the children forced to watch they castrate the father, they peel the skin off his face, they put a grenade in his mouth and pull the pin. With the children forced to watch they gang-rape the mother, and slash her breasts off. And sometimes for variety, they make the parents watch while they do these things to the children.

This is nobody's propaganda. There have been over 100,000 American witnesses for peace who have gone down there and they have filmed and photographed and witnessed these atrocities immediately after they've happened, and documented 13,000 people killed this way, mostly women and children. These are the activities done by these contras. The contras are the people president Reagan calls `freedom fighters'. He says they're the moral equivalent of our founding fathers. And the whole world gasps at this confession of his family traditions.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Stockwell/StockwellCIA87_2.html

Now could you address my specific question?

Are you saying that all the US government politicians and officials, CIA agents and anyone else who funded, trained and offered material support to the Contras should be held accountable for their crimes, which included the torture, rape and murder of innocent men, women and children?

I will agree I don't have much patience when it comes to people defending (in any way) a man that raped a child. I don't think anyone should have patience for that.

Justice requires that the greater good be taken into account, you keep forgetting that part JTT. The goal here is justice, it is not the hanging of everyone who we have a right to hang. The latter is the goal of those who are out for blood, not justice.

you remember poorly, no such law or even suggestion was made, the basis of the ruling was that you can't use ignorance as an excuse, the 13 year old said many times that he was thirteen (even though his profile apparently said 18), and the adult ignored this information and kept pressing his agenda

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I personally don't like the term "informed consent

I dont like the whole concept....it was much better back when consent was assumed unless one party voiced non consent. The state invalidating consent after the fact and thus turning the other person into a rapist has to go too. The feminist driven "improvements" have made a hash out of sex law, and now routinely abuses individuals.