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Roman Polanski free

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 01:53 pm
@hawkeye10,
It was illegal for him to give her the drug, it was a controlled substance and she was a minor. That was one of the felony charges against him. It doesn't matter whether she had used drugs or alcohol before. Giving a female a drug and alcohol, to reduce her ability to resist sexual advances, and then having sex with her, despite her protests, resulted in his being charged with rape by use of drugs.

That's why the D.A. makes such a big deal of it. Those were the indictments handed down by the grand jury. He not only raped her, by having sex with her despite her protests, he used drugs to facilitate that rape.

The current D.A. makes a big deal of it because there is a public perception that all Polanski did was statutory rape, because of her age. What Polanski actually did was much more serious than that, and the D.A. is simply making that clear.

Even with an adult woman, giving her drugs and alcohol can affect how able she is to knowingly consent or protest or resist, and it would be a factor in a rape. You aren't suppose to use physical force to overpower the woman's resistance, and you aren't supposed to use chemicals or drugs to do that either. If you do, that's rape.

And he did these things with a 13 year old child. That's a very big deal. A big criminal deal.

Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 02:34 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

A good video with both the victim and Polanski, where they both agree that it was not consensual.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/roman-polanski/story?id=8705958

One thing that keeps bothering me is that the DA makes a big deal about Polanski "drugging her" and raping her. In fact she was at the time a pretty hard core druggie, who liked to drink. That she did those things that day is neither here nor there, she did not ingest these under any force.


ARE YOU BLOODY SERIOUS????? What part of she was a 13 YEAR OLD CHILD do you not understand? She WAS A CHILD. He was the adult. He drugged her, gave her alcohol, and RAPED her!

Let me ask you a hypothetical question if I may? What if it was your daughter?

From your way of thinking I guess the Max Factor heir that gave all those women Liquid X and did HORRIBLE things to them and VIDEOTAPED IT without their knowledge should have probably just been left to live his life out in Mexico. Seriously, I pray you never move into my neighborhood.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 03:20 pm
@Arella Mae,

I need my JJ fix. I 'm going into withdrawal.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 03:23 pm
@firefly,
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And he did these things with a 13 year old child. That's a very big deal. A big criminal deal.
it is now, it was not at the time....you might recall that the original consensus from the public was that it was her fault, the she was a tramp who lead him into it....where do you suppose this came from, out of thin air?

Your hyperventilating is evidence that Polanski made a wise move avoiding coming back, this is not 1977 anymore..
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 03:30 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
And he did these things with a 13 year old child. That's a very big deal. A big criminal deal.
hawkeye10 wrote:
it is now, it was not at the time....you might recall that the original consensus
from the public was that it was her fault, the she was a tramp who lead him into it....
That 's not nice to say, Hawkeye, calling her names, even if u allege that it was a "consensus".
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 03:36 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
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at 's not nice to say, Hawkeye, calling her names, even if u allege that it was a "consensus".
I am speaking history here, not speaking for myself. Smart people dont censor history in the effort to keep it nice.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 03:38 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
at 's not nice to say, Hawkeye, calling her names, even if u allege that it was a "consensus".
hawkeye10 wrote:
I am speaking history here, not speaking for myself.
Smart people dont censor history in the effort to keep it nice.
I remember when the incident happened,
but I don 't remember any consensus such as what u allege.

The incident was easier to remember
coming as soon as it did after the misfortunes
of his wife and of her unarmed guests.





David
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 03:46 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Author Gore Vidal says he refuses to feel any sympathy for Roman Polanski’s rape victim, whom he dubs a “hooker.”

In an interview with The Atlantic, the controversial 83-year-old author of such books as “Myra Breckinridge” and “1876” says of the director’s sex scandal, “I really don’t give a [expletive]. Look am I going to sit and weep every time a young hooker feels as though she’s being taken advantage of?”

The young woman to whom he is referring is Samantha Geimer, who was a 13-year-old aspiring model in 1977 when she was drugged and raped by Polanski.


Vidal went on to say that the media pushed an inaccurate image of Geimer, painting her as an innocent victim as opposed to what he believes to be her true identity.


“I was in the middle of all that,” he says of the scandal. “Back then, we all were. Everybody knew everybody else. There was a totally different story at the time that doesn’t resemble anything that we’re now being told.”

Worse, Vidal claims that it is the media’s vehement “anti-Semitic and anti-fag thing” that led to the persecution of Polanski, who is Jewish and was born in Poland.




“The media can’t get anything straight … The idea that this girl was in her communion dress, a little angel all in white, being raped by this awful Jew, ‘Polacko’ – that’s what people were calling him – well, the story is totally different now from what it was then … Anti-Semitism got poor Polanski.”
http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/10/30/gore-vidal-thirteen-year-old-roman-polanski-rape-victim-was-a-hooker/

Vidal was a flame thrower, but he was essentially correct here

edit: is correct about how the tale has been edited to make it nice and to distort the events to modern prejudices. Not right about why the da went after Polanski decades after the fact, I dont think being a jew had much to do with that.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 03:52 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
at 's not nice to say, Hawkeye, calling her names, even if u allege that it was a "consensus".
I am speaking history here, not speaking for myself. Smart people dont censor history in the effort to keep it nice.


What you are speaking is NOT history. Whether there was a concensus or whether there was not a consensus is of little consequence. Consensus does not rule the law. HE BROKE THE DAMN LAW AND RAPED A 13 YEAR OLD GIRL.

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panzade
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 03:58 pm
http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m2/jul2005/0/7/000F1158-BDB0-12E4-A7580C01AC1BF814.jpg
Samantha G 13 year old "hooker" according to G Vidal
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djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 04:06 pm
given the title of this thread, there's one thing i think we can all agree on

America is better off being "Roman Polanski free" Razz
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 04:08 pm
I am so repulsed and disgusted by a lot of what is being said here. Some of you have no compassion whatsoever. You think it's okay for an adult man to drug and rape a 13 year old CHILD because she had done drugs before? Seriously, you are just as sick, if not sicker than he is. No wonder our country is in such a mess. You want to lift up the criminals and put down the victims. I think I may vomit.

Dave, I'll work on your JJ fix!
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 04:13 pm
@hawkeye10,
The girl seeks no vengeance.
She has defended Polanski, more than once.
Its not very nice to essentially drag her name thru the mud,
applying words like "tramp" to her. I think its uncalled for.
djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 04:15 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
applying words like "tramp" to her. I think its uncalled for.


how about gypsy or thief, i mean i heard from the people in town that's what they'd call her





oh wait, that might have been Cher i was thinking of Confused
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 04:22 pm
Roman Polanski is a despicable excuse for a human being, I don't believe that has any bearing on the decision not to extradite him to the US. It seems obvious to me that the decision was legalistic. Why are there 10 pages of rants about the nature of the crime?
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Pemerson
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 04:25 pm
Who really cares what happens to Roman Polanski? The lady, now, she should have received a lot of money from the creep. You could wonder how many times between 13 and 46-years-old she had to relive that experience.
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aidan
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 04:25 pm
@hawkeye10,
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she was a tramp who lead him into it...

So she was not only an eager participant, but she initiated it and seduced him?
Remind me again then, why he'd have needed to drug her...

How can a thirteen year old girl lead a 43 year old man into something he doesn't want to do?

Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 04:55 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

The girl seeks no vengeance.
She has defended Polanski, more than once.
Its not very nice to essentially drag her name thru the mud,
applying words like "tramp" to her. I think its uncalled for.


Let's see, an adult male rapes a 13 year old child and she gets called a tramp? Seems to me we have a word for adults who molest/rape children. It's called pedophile!

You are a kind soul, David. Your JJ fix is on my I'm Nervous thread.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 05:00 pm
@Arella Mae,
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Let's see, an adult male rapes a 13 year old child and she gets called a tramp
she either did not she did not....I have already given Vidals account that she was, if you dispute it then show up with something to back your case.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 05:01 pm
@hawkeye10,
If I dispute what? Your insensitivity for a child being raped by an adult. I don't need to back that up one bit. You are doing a fine job of it yourself.
 

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