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Sun 11 Jul, 2010 11:41 am
Ha, who is that any one should pay for any one to focus on or be erect to? Hmmm?
If any one can offer me a good definition to the word “pay”, please offer it? Is there anyone that deserving that owns anything that dictates that any one pay? Perhaps that is why so many are “out of focus”, huh!?
Perhaps there is a better word and we should eliminate that word altogether and with that there will many others that attempt to define pay that will go with it. Much like inequity when it is no longer it’s twin iniquity will go too.
William
@William,
It's fairly ordinary fare, William:
pay court
pay respect
pay compliments
pay attention
Quite a common construction.
@McTag,
McTag wrote:
It's fairly ordinary fare, William:
pay court
pay respect
pay compliments
pay attention
Quite a common construction.
Hello McTag all of what you have offered as far as your usage of the word "pay" can be replaced by the word "give". And yes you do have to pay the court; it can really cost you if you don't have the means to pay there. I promise you if nothing cost, but was shared fairly and equitably, we would not need those courts.
William
@William,
William wrote:
Ha, who is that any one should pay for any one to focus on or be erect to? Hmmm?
If any one can offer me a good definition to the word “pay”, please offer it? Is there anyone that deserving that owns anything that dictates that any one pay? Perhaps that is why so many are “out of focus”, huh!?
Perhaps there is a better word and we should eliminate that word altogether and with that there will many others that attempt to define pay that will go with it. Much like inequity when it is no longer it’s twin iniquity will go too.
William
"Pay attention" is an idiom. You are treating it as literal. It is like telling a nurse who tells you she is going to take your temperature to be sure to return it.
@William,
William wrote:Hello McTag all of what you have offered as far as your usage of the word "pay" can be replaced by the word "give".
And in that
phrasal verb it's being used that exactly that way. And it's not even that surprising an example because paying is not all that different a concept from giving and in each case it can give the additional implication that what you are giving has value.
And why is this in the philosophy forum? This reminds me more of a2k ESL threads than philosophy threads.
and "pay court" has nothing to do with a court of law, as you seem to think. It means to woo someone.
@William,
William wrote:
McTag wrote:
It's fairly ordinary fare, William:
pay court
pay respect
pay compliments
pay attention
Quite a common construction.
Hello McTag all of what you have offered as far as your usage of the word "pay" can be replaced by the word "give". And yes you do have to pay the court; it can really cost you if you don't have the means to pay there. I promise you if nothing cost, but was shared fairly and equitably, we would not need those courts.
William
The usage is very ancient, and is part of the economy of honor which still exists in some places, though it has nearly been supplanted by the economy of money... The main difference is that where money is dear, honor is cheap, and where there is no money people trade on their honor because all you have you can only hold in trust, so you must be able to trust your neighbors, and they, you.. So, respect is not something that you give, but something that is owed, and you better pay attention, because when all else fails there will always be honor, and people of honor, and you better be one of them or your life is over...
@William,
Quote:Hello McTag all of what you have offered as far as your usage of the word "pay" can be replaced by the word "give". And yes you do have to pay the court; it can really cost you if you don't have the means to pay there. I promise you if nothing cost, but was shared fairly and equitably, we would not need those courts.
William
William, if you want to dumb the language down to that simplistic level, then I suppose that's a matter for you: but don't be surprised if you find few followers.
That word, pay, in all the ways it is used is the primary source of all the problems that have been experienced by all on this planet. Sure, we use it so much it is considered an idiom (sad) or a phrasal thing, because it is so common.
Many years ago when that thought came to me that this Earth is not for sale I began mentally researching any way I could to find a reason why I had that thought so I could understand if it were indeed true or false and I could not falsify it. Along with that thought came the word afford-ability and man doing his thing and only thinking of things he could afford to do rather than what he could do if costs were not involved. .
Then I made a list of all the things that “I” thought were wrong to see if I could link them ALL to that one thought; and..........they..........do. Here is that list and I am sure it is only a partial one:
Family dysfunction, greed, abortions, war, theft, waste, poverty, homelessness, disease, cancer, strife, corruption, discrimination, racism, hate, animosity, condescension, slavery, religion, suicide, homosexuality, pornography, prostitution, STD’s, AIDS, squaller, murder, rape, starvation, deceit, envy, alcoholism, mental illness, depression, anxiety, fear, worry, stress, guilt, addiction and a trillion dollar drug empire that allows us to cope with this reality
Now rather than excuse it, if anyone can give reason why any of what have listed can not be link to the truth of the statement THIS EARTH NOT FOR SALE and these are the consequences of anyone charging for anyone’s right too exist here, please do. I have spent the past 30 years trying to and I can’t find one reason. Please don’t ask me to, you try not to; that’s all I ask. You try to falsify it and see if you can.
People don’t have to pay attention, they will know what they need to know the instant they need to know it. Now I am going to add one more item to that list; LIFE.
It is not life if anyone has to pay to survive it. I don’t call that life; I call that hell.
William
@William,
pay attention
to all you have written
and find the answers within
@William,
What we pay to have life is insignificant... We all pay for life, for the experience of it, and we all pay exactly the same price.... What ever life we have intelligent, healthy, sickly, poor, rich, weak, strong; we all pay for our lives with our lives... To know life is to be certain of death, that the end attends us and waits for us to make some stupid move...
@William,
William wrote:
It is not life if anyone has to pay to survive it. I don’t call that life; I call that hell.
William
William, it sounds like you're picking on the merchant class. Which is fine... it does have a dark side.
Otherwise, you realize there's another way to look at it. Payment implies balancing a debt... ending in satisfaction... equilibrium. We understand that everything is constantly going in and out balance.
You aren't obligated to give attention by any external force. Your status as a socializing mammal puts you out of balance in a way that can only be satisfied by giving your attention.
@Robert Gentel,
Quote:And in that phrasal verb ...
I didn't notice any phrasal verbs, Robert. Were there some?
MontereyJack wrote:
and "pay court" has nothing to do with a court of law, as you seem to think. It means to woo someone.
Hello Mjack, does one have to pay to do that? The giving of a gift, it would seem would be sufficient. Like promising to give the one you woo your all. That would be a pretty good gift, wouldn’t it!? No one can buy or sell that kind of gift.
Fido wrote:
The usage is very ancient, and is part of the economy of honor which still exists in some places, though it has nearly been supplanted by the economy of money... The main difference is that where money is dear, honor is cheap, and where there is no money people trade on their honor because all you have you can only hold in trust, so you must be able to trust your neighbors, and they, you.. So, respect is not something that you give, but something that is owed, and you better pay attention, because when all else fails there will always be honor, and people of honor, and you better be one of them or your life is over...
Well said Fido. As to the highlighted portion, respect is an entitlement and should be offered to all. No one should own anything, nothing that is has ever belonged to any one. That’s why life as you know it is as it is, and why so many have died. Just as thoughts; no matter what any one thinks , it is a result of the thoughts of others expressed. If one thinks their thoughts are theirs, they are a thief. There is no honor in that.
Pepijn Sweep wrote:
Can I give U my Debt ?
If it were a weight I could support, absolutely and at no obligation to you either.
laughoutlood wrote:
pay attention to all you have written and find the answers within
I do and I do and they come from without too and that is a phenomenal coincidence. I read, see and notice those too.
Fido wrote:
What we pay to have life is insignificant... We all pay for life, for the experience of it, and we all pay exactly the same price.... What ever life we have intelligent, healthy, sickly, poor, rich, weak, strong; we all pay for our lives with our lives... To know life is to be certain of death, that the end attends us and waits for us to make some stupid move...
That’s the way it has been. I promise you it doesn’t have to be that way. Many only observe what they think is THE END. What happens after that no one of us know all that is. That death is by all means what can be considered a significant collateral damage among the other labels you mention.
William wrote: It is not life if anyone has to pay to survive it. I don’t call that life; I call that hell.
Arjuna wrote: it sounds like you're picking on the merchant class. Which is fine... it does have a dark side.
Otherwise, you realize there's another way to look at it. Payment implies balancing a debt... ending in satisfaction... equilibrium. We understand that everything is constantly going in and out balance.
You aren't obligated to give attention by any external force. Your status as a socializing mammal puts you out of balance in a way that can only be satisfied by giving your attention.
Arjuna, I understand and that is commonly thought as it is today. I thought about that too until I began doing research trying to find an original owner. One cannot be found. As far as “mammal”, I don’t particularly use any labels that would associate US with the animal. Never! We are not that. Though it can be said, there are those humans who do nourish themselves at the expense of other humans. Those who do that, sure, they can be designated as animals.
William
@JTT,
Fine, a multi-word verb (literal, colloquial use), a compound verb.
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