Reply Sat 27 Mar, 2010 07:18 am
For people who live outside the United States nothing could be more entirely baffling that the emergence of what seems not just a very extreme right-wing movement but a mad movement, composed of people who believe in literal truth the Books of Genesis and Revelation though they seem not to have read the Bible, and tell monstrous and wicked lies about, for instance, our deeply loved National Health Service, of which they pretend to be both totally ignorant AND informed. Could some American explain? Is it just that they aren't educated enough not to know Fox News consists mainly of lies, for instance? Is it because they are insane racists that they have these fantasies about your President having been born in some other country? Is it because US politics are totally controlled by the rich that they seem to think what normal governments do everywhere is 'socialism', or is it just that decent people were so traumatised back in the days of McCarthy that their descendants are afraid to tell the truth? Why do they distrust others so much that they more or less insist on arming every criminal and madman so that they themselves can play cowboys? Do they want to have the highest murder rate in the world? Why do they imprison so many people (I'm bothered about this because our Petains are imitating them)? Why do they keep attacking Muslim countries even when they don't have oil?

I'd be grateful if some Americans could explain these things, which, from over here, seem bizarre in the extreme. I've scarcely ever met an American I disliked, but it would seem that, when they go home, they begin barking, howling at the moon, believing in insane conspiracies and shooting people. Or am I reading the wrong newspapers?
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sun 28 Mar, 2010 01:30 am
@kynaston,
kynaston;70827 wrote:
For people who live outside the United States nothing could be more entirely baffling that the emergence of what seems not just a very extreme right-wing movement but a mad movement, composed of people who believe in literal truth the Books of Genesis and Revelation though they seem not to have read the Bible, and tell monstrous and wicked lies about, for instance, our deeply loved National Health Service, of which they pretend to be both totally ignorant AND informed. Could some American explain? Is it just that they aren't educated enough not to know Fox News consists mainly of lies, for instance? Is it because they are insane racists that they have these fantasies about your President having been born in some other country? Is it because US politics are totally controlled by the rich that they seem to think what normal governments do everywhere is 'socialism', or is it just that decent people were so traumatised back in the days of McCarthy that their descendants are afraid to tell the truth? Why do they distrust others so much that they more or less insist on arming every criminal and madman so that they themselves can play cowboys? Do they want to have the highest murder rate in the world? Why do they imprison so many people (I'm bothered about this because our Petains are imitating them)? Why do they keep attacking Muslim countries even when they don't have oil?

I'd be grateful if some Americans could explain these things, which, from over here, seem bizarre in the extreme. I've scarcely ever met an American I disliked, but it would seem that, when they go home, they begin barking, howling at the moon, believing in insane conspiracies and shooting people. Or am I reading the wrong newspapers?


If your question is why are there so many crazy Americans, then I think that is because of cultural isolation. There are huge segments of the US population that see little or nothing of the outside world. Most of them live in rural areas surrounded mostly by like-minded people and often their only connection to the world at large is through news networks like FOX. Even our education system teaches little to nothing of other countries or religions.
NEUROSPORT
 
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Reply Sun 28 Mar, 2010 09:21 pm
@kynaston,
kynaston;70827 wrote:
I've scarcely ever met an American I disliked, but it would seem that, when they go home, they begin barking, howling at the moon, believing in insane conspiracies and shooting people. Or am I reading the wrong newspapers?


Americans you have seen are liberal pussies from places like New York and San Francisco which like to travel. Americans you read about are conservative rednecks from the bible belt a.k.a "real america." these rednecks never travel further than to the nearest town.

kynaston;70827 wrote:
Is it because US politics are totally controlled by the rich that they seem to think what normal governments do everywhere is 'socialism.' or is it just that decent people were so traumatised back in the days of McCarthy that their descendants are afraid to tell the truth?


no actually its because you europeans are ******* idiots. i grew up under REAL socialism in USSR ( not mccarthyism in USA ) and i can tell you that what you idiots have in Europe is SOCIALISM.

kynaston;70827 wrote:
Why do they distrust others so much that they more or less insist on arming every criminal and madman so that they themselves can play cowboys?


because only the most complete dumbfucking idiot would ever trust his government. trust is a trait of idiots - please get this through your thick liberal skull.

kynaston;70827 wrote:
Do they want to have the highest murder rate in the world?


we don't give a **** about that. we're not pussies like you. LIVE FREE OR DIE.

kynaston;70827 wrote:
Why do they imprison so many people


because CIA runs drag trafficking in USA so in order to jack up drug prices they must keep it illegal. to keep it illegal means to keep people in jails. also the pharmaceutical companies in order to sell their patented drugs also need natural drugs to be illegal. CIA and Pharmaceutical industry together are more than enough influence on the government to make this happen.

kynaston;70827 wrote:
Why do they keep attacking Muslim countries even when they don't have oil?


because US government is controlled by Zionists. also because Afghanistan has poppy plantations which CIA uses to make money.

which countries specifically do you mean ?
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kynaston
 
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Reply Mon 29 Mar, 2010 06:54 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;70850 wrote:
If your question is why are there so many crazy Americans, then I think that is because of cultural isolation. There are huge segments of the US population that see little or nothing of the outside world. Most of them live in rural areas surrounded mostly by like-minded people and often their only connection to the world at large is through news networks like FOX. Even our education system teaches little to nothing of other countries or religions.


Thanks - That sounds sensible. The problem, then, would seem to be the use of these simpletons by scoundrels. It is rather alarming, given the military power up for grabs!
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kynaston
 
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Reply Mon 29 Mar, 2010 06:59 am
@kynaston,
Well, Neurosport, if you once lived under State Capitalism and supposed it to have anything to do with socialism, no wonder you have gone native over there and started beating your chest and barking at shadows. What exactly do you see as the point of all this silly effing and blinding at the civilised world then? Makes you feel better for being brainwashed again, does it? If obeying your masters seems to you to be 'living free', better die, not that you asked my opinion, fair play. Your latter two points are rather more rational: take care or they'll lynch you!
jpn of Seattle
 
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Reply Mon 29 Mar, 2010 08:38 pm
@kynaston,
From French President Nicolas Sarkozy, speaking today at Columbia University:

Quote:
Welcome to the club of states who don't turn their back on the sick and the poor....The very fact that there should have been such a violent debate simply on the fact that the poorest of Americans should not be left out in the streets without a cent to look after them ... is something astonishing to us.


It's so nice not to be embarrassed to be an American while traveling overseas again (despite the antics of the far-freaky-right, which gets all the media attention).
kynaston
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2010 07:12 am
@jpn of Seattle,
jpn of Seattle;70894 wrote:
From French President Nicolas Sarkozy, speaking today at Columbia University:



It's so nice not to be embarrassed to be an American while traveling overseas again (despite the antics of the far-freaky-right, which gets all the media attention).


Yes - Welcome home. It is a great pity that the tea-partiers grab so many headlines, but it's the old 'Man bites dog is news' thing, I suppose: they are so weird that the reporters notice them!
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2010 08:35 am
@kynaston,
If you think that's weird, you should have read the article I posted a while back, about texas removing any mention of "separation of church and state" or Thomas Jefferson from it's textbooks or Utah's proposal to make final year in secondary school optional, to save money (because that's one place Utah really needs to cut money from, education!?). Absolute lunacy!
kynaston
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2010 08:49 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;70897 wrote:
If you think that's weird, you should have read the article I posted a while back, about texas removing any mention of "separation of church and state" or Thomas Jefferson from it's textbooks or Utah's proposal to make final year in secondary school optional, to save money (because that's one place Utah really needs to cut money from, education!?). Absolute lunacy!


Yes - that is truly weird! Texas I just don't understand, but I do have a relation in Utah who hotly denies my existence because, in the big-rebaptism-of-the-dead process they go in for ('Black bloody magic', muttered my Father) someone decided my great-great-grandmother didn't marry and go to Argentina. I share my non-existence, therefore. with some hundred-and-odd distant cousins, and find it quite liberating. So it goes. The relation's husband is, I'd gather, quite big deal amongst the Latter-day Saints. If they deny the existence of a few more Welsh ancestors they could, with luck, do without education altogether, having no people! Smile
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NEUROSPORT
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2010 11:57 am
@kynaston,
kynaston;70879 wrote:
Well, Neurosport, if you once lived under State Capitalism and supposed it to have anything to do with socialism, no wonder you have gone native over there and started beating your chest and barking at shadows. What exactly do you see as the point of all this silly effing and blinding at the civilised world then? Makes you feel better for being brainwashed again, does it? If obeying your masters seems to you to be 'living free', better die, not that you asked my opinion, fair play. Your latter two points are rather more rational: take care or they'll lynch you!


State capitalism ? You're beginning to sound like Agnapostate - are you sure you're not him ? :beat:

Regardless of what you call it - it's what you guys have in Europe - ****. You must be proud following in the footsteps of China.

I am not brainwashed you fool. I have stopped watching TV years ago deliberately to avoid brainwashing. No i don't watch fox news, don't listen to Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh. Never have - never will.

You are the one who speaks using Al Gore's lingo and soundbites. You are the brainwashed lemming here son, but i don't blame you. After all living in a collectivist state must take heavy toll on one's ability to think for himself.

I follow the ideas expressed in our Cosntitution, ideas of Thomas Jefferson, and ideas of the Austrian economists - all of which are rejected by Fox News and Al Gore alike.

now go bend over and worship your state you slave.
kynaston
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2010 03:25 am
@NEUROSPORT,
NEUROSPORT;70905 wrote:
State capitalism ? You're beginning to sound like Agnapostate - are you sure you're not him ? :beat:

Regardless of what you call it - it's what you guys have in Europe - ****. You must be proud following in the footsteps of China.

I am not brainwashed you fool. I have stopped watching TV years ago deliberately to avoid brainwashing. No i don't watch fox news, don't listen to Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh. Never have - never will.

You are the one who speaks using Al Gore's lingo and soundbites. You are the brainwashed lemming here son, but i don't blame you. After all living in a collectivist state must take heavy toll on one's ability to think for himself.

I follow the ideas expressed in our Cosntitution, ideas of Thomas Jefferson, and ideas of the Austrian economists - all of which are rejected by Fox News and Al Gore alike.

now go bend over and worship your state you slave.


Well, I'm sure sounding like Agnapostate is preferable to sounding like a brainwashed hillbilly. I suppose you couldn't afford the treatment for your paranoia? - most Americans can't, it would seem. Why should civilization bother you so much, hick? We don't interfere in your absurd politics, do we? Take your troops home, child, and you'll be able to howl at the moon untroubled, while your masters take your money for something else than strutting about abroad!
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2010 02:43 pm
Rehmat;70931 wrote:
Capitalism just like Zionism, Nazism, Communism, Socialism, Feminism, etc. are brainchild of Judeo-fascism - to loot the ignorant public and propagate immorality in the world.


What other system of government is left besides monarchy?
NEUROSPORT
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2010 07:01 pm
@kynaston,
kynaston;70924 wrote:
Well, I'm sure sounding like Agnapostate is preferable to sounding like a brainwashed hillbilly. I suppose you couldn't afford the treatment for your paranoia? - most Americans can't, it would seem. Why should civilization bother you so much, hick? We don't interfere in your absurd politics, do we? Take your troops home, child, and you'll be able to howl at the moon untroubled, while your masters take your money for something else than strutting about abroad!


Let's see. I was born and grew up in Kiev. I lived in this yellow building on the right side of the picture:

http://www.cardcow.com/images/set211/card00179_fr.jpg

Then i lived in New York City - a very hillbilly place to live. My parents both voted for Obama - typical redneck parents, they both have PHDs.

And now i live in the center of the Silicon Valley. 10 minutes away from Google, Apple, Intel, NASA and Stanford. I drive a stereotypical hillbilly car - BMW.

You know what? You convinced me! I am a redneck! All these years i lived and didn't know it! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU ! ! !

if you don't know anything about history except the Cold War and McCarthyism - too bad. i let history be my guide. you can listen to Al Gore and Obama if you want - i don't give a **** what you do.

and if you understood anything about neuroscience you would know that paranoia is directly related to intelligence. paranoia is the ability to foresee negative consequences. when Alan Greenspan was asked who was the most intelligent president he had served under he said (without hesitation) Nixon. Nixon was notorious for paranoia

also under my health insurance if i needed or wanted treatment it wouldn't cost me a single penny - neither the doctor visits nor the medications.

anyway you're a waste of my time. welcome to my ignore list.

GOOD BYE.
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NEUROSPORT
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2010 08:02 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;70939 wrote:
What other system of government is left besides monarchy?


since when is capitalism a system of government ?

Rehmat's statement doesn't make much sense to me either though.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2010 08:12 pm
@NEUROSPORT,
NEUROSPORT;70954 wrote:
since when is capitalism a system of government ?

Rehmat's statement doesn't make much sense to me either though.


Economic system, my mistake.
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Rehmat
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2010 08:25 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;70939 wrote:
What other system of government is left besides monarchy?

Are you saying none of world's monarchs has been a Talmudic homicidal?
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2010 08:38 pm
@Rehmat,
Rehmat;70960 wrote:
Are you saying none of world's monarchs has been a Talmudic homicidal?




No, You said capitalism, communism, and socialism were created by jews. What other systems are there? Are you insisting that all modern economic systems were created by jews? Which system would you prefer?
Rehmat
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 04:38 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Nyeth Hasbara idiot - you are intentionally missing two most important evil systems given birth by your Jewish ancestors - Nazism and Zionism - as I mentioned in my post.

What a self-denial dog, eh!
kynaston
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 07:00 am
@kynaston,
Neurosport - Good news! You can be a redneck anywhere. All you need is to close your mind firmly, for what is geography to a determined reactionary nutter? I spend little time listening to American politicians - I have enough trouble not listening to our own! As for President Nixon, who wants intelligent crooks: I prefer stupid ones because they steal less.
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 02:37 pm
@Rehmat,
Rehmat;70964 wrote:
Nyeth Hasbara idiot - you are intentionally missing two most important evil systems given birth by your Jewish ancestors - Nazism and Zionism - as I mentioned in my post.

What a self-denial dog, eh!


Zionism and nazism are not economic systems.


You must be capitalist, communist, socialist, feudalist or some combination of the four. So the question is, which system do you prefer?
 

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