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YouTube - Myth: Gun Control Reduces Crime

Last Night's GOP Debate saw candidates dance around the issue of gun control like it was diseased, when in actuality it is a topic about which many Americans care deeply.

The video above illustrates the point that gun control DOES NOT stop crime, so what possible rationale is there for stringent firearms regulation?

Further, many lawmakers have been known to ban firearms and accessories despite not knowing WHAT they are or what they do:

YouTube - What is a barrel shroud?

A barrel shroud, for those of you out of the loop, is a metal covering on a barrel that provides additional grip on an area that otherwise would be too hot to hold. They are common on machine guns, but have also become popular among sporting rifle/shotgun owners because of the quantities of ammo fired within short periods of time. How can we trust our government to make sound decisions when they don't understand the subject on which they are attempting to legislate?

The Second Amendment Reads:

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A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed

The assault weapons ban, the DC gun ban, and ANY law prohibiting the carry, concealed or otherwise of firearms ALL violate the Constitution. This issue is of paramount importance to anybody interested in maintaining liberty, and deserved better responses and more time during last night's debate.

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@Freeman15,

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@Fatal Freedoms,

Any weapons ban is completely pointless. IT will not reduce crime all it does is make politicians look great in front of people that have no education about firearms. HR 1022 is the lamest thing since the vanilla ice. HR 1022 actually singles out firearms by name. Barrel shrouds do not make a rifle any more deadly, just like grips that protrude below the body of the rifle (pistol grip) and the whole collapsible stock issue? What the hell is wrong with these people. But sadly most people now a days are to ruled by fear and want to do every thing but address the issues causing violence in this country.

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@Freeman15,

Don't bother asking liberals such an obviously simple question. They want maximum power invested in the Supreme Socialist State. I will always own guns primarily to fight that state. Yeah....I own and train with guns specifically because of COMMUNISM. I'll gladly die fighting it.

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@Pinochet73,

Pinochet73;46992 wrote:

Don't bother asking liberals such an obviously simple question. They want maximum power invested in the Supreme Socialist State. I will always own guns primarily to fight that state. Yeah....I own and train with guns specifically because of COMMUNISM. I'll gladly die fighting it.

Don't get your hopes up too high, "foreign communist hostiles" will never set foot in America, we have the greatest Army in the world we need not worry about such things. It is what happens inside of America that we need to worry about!

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@Fatal Freedoms,

Fatal_Freedoms;46994 wrote:

Don't get your hopes up too high, "foreign communist hostiles" will never set foot in America, we have the greatest Army in the world we need not worry about such things. It is what happens inside of America that we need to worry about!

I'm not talking about 'ferners. I'm talking about numbskulls numb enough to vote for SCUM-FILTH-HOBAG-HILLARY, et al. :rocketwhore:

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@Freeman15,

That is what freaks people out. I understand what you are saying Pino and I hope most everyone else hear has already made up there mind about gun control and no one is on the fence about the issue. I am hoping that you are saying that in a humorous tone because that kind of attitude if that is really how you feel is what gives firearms a bad rap. Dont get me wrong I take my primary carry out to the range every chance I get to become proficient with it but I also own other guns for sport. I also plan on getting into some compitition shooting here some time soon. I try and talk to as many people about firearms that I can and if they ask me about C&C then I will answer there questions but we as law abiding firearm owners cannot talk about killing Communism in such a harsh manner, people will think you are some nut job and it hurts the community. But I am glad that there are some issues most of us are rock solid on!

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@Freeman15,

gun laws keep guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens, not criminals.

gun laws, other than you;re allowed to have one only with proper permits, background checks, etc, are simply stupid.

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@briansol,

briansol;47001 wrote:

gun laws keep guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens, not criminals.

gun laws, other than you;re allowed to have one only with proper permits, background checks, etc, are simply stupid.

i think there are a few exceptions where gun restrictions have been beneficial, such as making sawed-off shotguns illegal, such a law helps apprehend those who are intending on commiting a crime.

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@Freeman15,

What is wrong with a short barreled shotgun? If you want to pay for the stamps and what not for it you too can own a Short barreled shotgun, hell you can own a full auto if your state allows it. I can also add a fore grip to my glock too if I wanted to spend the cash.

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@Fatal Freedoms,

Fatal_Freedoms;47010 wrote:

i think there are a few exceptions where gun restrictions have been beneficial, such as making sawed-off shotguns illegal, such a law helps apprehend those who are intending on commiting a crime.

Actually, it doesn't, and they aren't "illegal". One of the greatest lies dumped on the American public was the Assault Weapons Ban. THe AWB did NOT ban weapons that are technically assault weapons, it banned military style weapons civilian versions of these.

In 1934 the National Firearms Act went into effect, basically it controls the sale and transfer of true assault weapons, machine guns, short barrelled shotguns (you "sawed off" shotgun), and rifles, AOW (Any Other Weapon), suppressors (silencers), and destructive devices like grenades, and explsives, pinguns, etc...Since 1935 anyone that can legally posses a firearm has been able to buy, sell, transfer any of these Class III weapons by filling out the proper forms, and paying a $200 tax. This has been COMPLETELY uneffected by any ban, including the AWB. An interesting fact about it too is that only one confirmed case of one of these legally obtained assault weapons has ever been used in a crime.

Brian wrote:

gun laws, other than you;re allowed to have one only with proper permits, background checks, etc, are simply stupid.

Those laws, while they may seem like a good idea to someone that is impartial, they really do absolutely nothing to keep guns out of criminals hands. Criminals do NOT get permits, criminals do NOT go through background checks, they either buy them through illegal channels, or steal them.

The only people that obey laws, are law abiding citizens, criminals do NOT obey laws, ergo, gun control laws do NOT effect criminals.

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@92b16vx,

92b16vx;47014 wrote:

In 1934 the National Firearms Act went into effect, basically it controls the sale and transfer of true assault weapons, machine guns, short barrelled shotguns (you "sawed off" shotgun), and rifles, AOW (Any Other Weapon), suppressors (silencers), and destructive devices like grenades, and explsives, pinguns, etc...Since 1935 anyone that can legally posses a firearm has been able to buy, sell, transfer any of these Class III weapons by filling out the proper forms, and paying a $200 tax. This has been COMPLETELY uneffected by any ban, including the AWB. An interesting fact about it too is that only one confirmed case of one of these legally obtained assault weapons has ever been used in a crime.

Pretty much what I said but 92 did it a lot better then I could. I will try and find a link to HR 1022 and show you some of the lame ass info that is in it.

Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

There are comments in there like this, " `(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine; " So now if this passes I cannot use my browning .30-.06 that I bought this season because it accepts a detachable box magazine. All of these bans for our do nothing to make us more secure.

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@Freeman15,

Gun control is mostly advocated by American Communists. No thanks, Stalin. Get off my front porch.

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@Pinochet73,

Pinochet73;47016 wrote:

Gun control is mostly advocated by American Communists. No thanks, Stalin. Get off my front porch.

And warrantless surveillance is advocated by American Fascists.

You still only care about ONE part of the Constitution. Why?

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@Drakej,

Drakej;47013 wrote:

What is wrong with a short barreled shotgun? If you want to pay for the stamps and what not for it you too can own a Short barreled shotgun, hell you can own a full auto if your state allows it. I can also add a fore grip to my glock too if I wanted to spend the cash.

people don't hunt with a sawed-off shotgun, nor do they target practice since a shorter barrel makes the weapon more inaccurate, the only reason someone would saw-off the end of a shotgun is to make the weapon more concealable, and people don't conceal sawed-off shotguns around with them for personal protection...that much i can tell you!

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@92b16vx,

92b16vx;47014 wrote:

Actually, it doesn't, and they aren't "illegal". One of the greatest lies dumped on the American public was the Assault Weapons Ban. THe AWB did NOT ban weapons that are technically assault weapons, it banned military style weapons civilian versions of these.

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i was talking about sawed-off shotguns not civilian assault rifles

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@Sabz5150,

Sabz5150;47039 wrote:

And warrantless surveillance is advocated by American Fascists.

You still only care about ONE part of the Constitution. Why?

Nah.....I only care about ending Communism, Islamo-Fascism and heathenism. That's it, ya dig?:afro: Laughing

:afro:

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@Freeman15,

A short barreled shotgun is much better for home defense. Shorter barrel = better maneuverability. If you follow the logic of a short barreled shotgun being easier to conceal what is your opinion on handguns? I understand what you are saying but there are other reasons to hack a shotgun or rifle shorter.

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@Drakej,

Drakej;47066 wrote:

A short barreled shotgun is much better for home defense. Shorter barrel = better maneuverability. If you follow the logic of a short barreled shotgun being easier to conceal what is your opinion on handguns? I understand what you are saying but there are other reasons to hack a shotgun or rifle shorter.

I can assure you people DO NOT saw-off the end of a shotgun for "home defence", and yes handguns are concealable, but unlike sawed-off shotguns handguns may be used for self-defence and target practice.

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@Fatal Freedoms,

Fatal_Freedoms;47055 wrote:

i was talking about sawed-off shotguns not civilian assault rifles

Read my whole post, you'll see that I addressed short barrelled shotguns. And your assumptions about why someone wants a particular firearm doesn't make it "the way it is." SBS makes a great truck gun, and home defense weapon.

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