Conservative Values

Second Amendment
Low Taxes
Personal Responsibility
America First
States' Rights


Can we agree that these are core conservative values?

Can we agree that core liberal values are:

Taxation of the Wealthy

States' Rights

This one is difficult to say. A large, but often overlooked reason for the Civil War was Federal Control Vs State control, the south wanted things like Slavery and other issue to be left up to the state while the Union wanted Federal control.

Fast forward to today and the Dems want Abortion to be a national thing and Republicans want it to be state to state, knowing that President Lincoln was a Republican it's fair to say that this issue swings both ways

Can we agree that core liberal values are:

Taxation of the Wealthy
Personal Responsibility
America First

the problem with Taxing the wealthy in the manner the Dems currently want is invariably hard working self made individuals will suffer and at some point those who do as little as possible will benefit from it. I'm not against extra taxes on the super rich but honestly if we took away their ability to avoid taxes it would probably solve the problem.

Personal Responsibility? Liberal judges are the ones who put drug deals in treatment instead of prison and uphold the "victim" mentality

America First? In allot of ways yes, but they also want Amnisty for those who are not Americans

Liberalism embodies the politics of convenience at the cost of long term prosperity

This is NOT a liberal value (not a real liberal anyway), it may be a democrat value, but democrats are not nescessarily liberals. Taxing someone because they made a lot of money, and redistributing it to the poor is A) thievery, and B) Socialist.

America IS a capitalist society, and that works in its favor. Look at all the socialist and communist countries past and present, third world mostly. If people have no reason to work hard, they don't, and in order to maintain a progressive society, we need to work hard. Look at the poor areas in the country, they sit around and blame everyone else for their problems, and try to milk the system for what they can get, it drains the system, and leaves less for what is actually needed.

Republicans want a federal ban on abortion, it's in the party platform.

I'm talking about CONSERVATIVES, ie, the guys who vote republican because the GOP is slightly less psychotic than the DNC.

the problem with Taxing the wealthy in the manner the Dems currently want is invariably hard working self made individuals will suffer and at some point those who do as little as possible will benefit from it. I'm not against extra taxes on the super rich but honestly if we took away their ability to avoid taxes it would probably solve the problem.

Surprisingly, I agree.

Personal Responsibility? Liberal judges are the ones who put drug deals in treatment instead of prison and uphold the "victim" mentality.

Don't go there. Liberal judges are not the problem...weak or arcane laws, and the the failure to enforce the laws that are on the books, is the problem.
Drug dealers are different than "drug users"...dealers should have one kind of justice and "users" should have another. Dealers (especially of large quantities) should be processed to the fullest extent of the law. Users do not belong in prison...they belong in treatment facilities, where their needs and root cause for using drugs can be addressed...true compassion is what is called for. Nothing less.

America First? In allot of ways yes, but they also want Amnisty for those who are not Americans
No, not true...Amnesty (correctly spelled), should be approached on a "case by case" basis...everyone's story is different. Some illegals are bringing nothing to the table, while others could not be more of an asset to the fabric of American society by way of skills, artistic ability, and general knowledge.

Liberalism embodies the politics of convenience at the cost of long term prosperity

on paper, yes. but only one candidate supports all those. and his name is ron.

Can we agree that core liberal values are:

First Amendment
Taxation of the Wealthy
Personal Responsibility
America First
Individuals' Rights

Really? And here I was thinking that no entity was as deranged as the RNC, which might explain all of the "dirty tricks", and the jockeying for "soft money", and the failure to execute any reform concerning campaign financing.
One need only look to Tom Delay, and his redistricting shenanigans concerning Texas, which he did with the help of the RNC, and the laundering and shuttling of funds through it....isn't he still under indictment? Hmmmmm.....

If you have personal responcibility why would you need to tax just the wealthy?

Is it just that you are lazy, or just that you have a problem spelling words???
Because it getting a little tedious and tired about now.
I would tax the wealthy, because chances are , their wealth was procured by "unsavory" business practices....not all, mind you, but a fair chunk.
And perhaps, I just don't like rich people, because more than likely, money has corrupted their sensibilities, and there is a sense of entitlement, quite similar to those who are fully capable of working, but elect not to, and have their hands out seeking something for nothing....oooh, how anti-liberal of me!

So you propose taxing a group of people MORE because there is a POSSIBILITY that they procured their wealth through illicit activities? Here in Bexar County, our sherriff was indicted for accepting gifts to the tune of $50k. That's chump change, and yet it was illegal, wake up.

You want equality? Everybody pays the same percentage whether they make $100 a day or $100,000. This way, everybody pays their fair share.

Fine...get rid of all tax breaks, loopholes, backroom deals, kickbacks, lobbying, slush funds, and we have a deal. However, we both know that will never happen, due to greed...so the deal is off. Sorry.

Again you lump all of the rich into a single category and convict them of crimes of which you have no evidence. Using your reasoning we should take all guns away from blacks because many of them shoot each other.