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Lies From Gen. Betrayus

 
 
crackface mcgee
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2007 08:46 pm
@FedUpAmerican,
I give Sidney Blumenthal about as much credit as I give you, Aaron.

Petraeus is the man on the ground. He deserves the benefit of the doubt. You should listen to what he says, but you knew before he spoke that you would discredit him. And you probably consider yourself to be "open minded", right?

However, thank you for repeating your propaganda as requested. Again, it hurts your cause. But you will never EVER learn. Do you have anything else to say about this leader? (Watch this, folks, he will probably keep going!)
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2007 09:06 pm
@crackface mcgee,
crackface_mcgee;38553 wrote:
I give Sidney Blumenthal about as much credit as I give you, Aaron.

Petraeus is the man on the ground. He deserves the benefit of the doubt. You should listen to what he says, but you knew before he spoke that you would discredit him. And you probably consider yourself to be "open minded", right?

However, thank you for repeating your propaganda as requested. Again, it hurts your cause. But you will never EVER learn. Do you have anything else to say about this leader? (Watch this, folks, he will probably keep going!)


Oh, right! Even though the war is going south, and his credibility "souther", he was going to put up a general who was going to tell the truth about the war, thus, admitting to the world how much he has f...... up?????
You underestimate ( or is it overestimate) Georgie Porgie...
Everyone has said "the surge" has failed...and Dubya has agreed to draw down the troops, back to pre-surge figures...Big Whoop! Who has a brain around here? When are y'all gonna get it...the war was lost before it was begun...there is no winning the war...not even if we nuked 'em! They don't want western democracy...and you can't force them to take it on....for heaven's sake...a retard could gather as much.
92b16vx
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2007 09:10 pm
@crackface mcgee,
crackface_mcgee;38553 wrote:
Petraeus is the man on the ground.


Without disparaging the general, he is not "the man on the ground". Four stars are a step away from politician, and you don't get his position without playing politics. Even he admitted that he could not answer the question ""Do you feel that [Iraq war] is making America safer?"...

Quote:
Senator John Warner ☼, the Virginia Republican who used to chair the committee and who has called for beginning a disengagement in Iraq, took a few sharp (albeit respectful) jabs at Petraeus, noting that one intelligence report after another has said that political reconciliation in Iraq could be a bridge too far. He then asked Petraeus a pointed question: "Do you feel that [Iraq war] is making America safer"?

Petraeus paused before responding. He then said: "I believe this is indeed the best course of action to achieve our objectives in Iraq."

That was, of course, a non-answer. And Warner wasn't going to let the general dodge the bullet. He repeated the question: "Does the [Iraq war] make America safer?"

Petraeus replied, "I don't know, actually. I have not sat down and sorted in my own mind."



Petraeus doesn't know if his strategy is making America safe

this is the ONLY question that matters to me.
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crackface mcgee
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2007 09:12 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;38555 wrote:

Everyone has said "the surge" has failed...


Not true. Not true at all.

You are not convincing. The others on the far left fringe will nod and give you the "Amen" (oh wait...never mind with the "amen" because most are anti-Christian). For whatever that's worth. But you will push those in the center to the right. And you'll never get it. You'll probably respond to this with something that'll push 'em a little further my way. I hope you do. What else?
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2007 09:16 pm
@crackface mcgee,
crackface_mcgee;38557 wrote:
Not true. Not true at all.

You are not convincing. The others on the far left fringe will nod and give you the "Amen" (oh wait...never mind with the "amen" because most are anti-Christian). For whatever that's worth. But you will push those in the center to the right. And you'll never get it. You'll probably respond to this with something that'll push 'em a little further my way. I hope you do. What else?


Opinion...propaganda.
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kmchugh
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 07:29 pm
@FedUpAmerican,
FedUpAmerican;38402 wrote:
Thats nice. I start a thread about a military coward lying to the American people for yet ANOTHER liar (bushy) and you two talk about your balls.

I HIGHLY doubt that either of you have a set between you.

Betrayus is NOTHING but a tool.


I said it before and I'll say it again: Coming from a man who has never had to really put his beliefs on the line, who has never really stepped outside his own zones of comfort and safety, your criticism of a man who has spent more than 30 years in a uniform, who is simply giving an assessment of what he SEES on the ground (not READS in the paper) doesn’t even ring hollow. You, who have never risked a thing, call a professional soldier a coward? Your criticism doesn’t ring at all. Frankly, I’m embarrassed for you.
Freeman15
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 08:51 pm
@kmchugh,
kmchugh;38618 wrote:


Well said, I do however take issue with one point:

Yes, he is an experienced soldier, but you don't make 4 stars without knowing the political game very well. Bush went through a few generals before he found this one, so before we slap him on the back (or indict him for that matter), I think Congress should create their own panel and investigate the legitimacy of the good general's claims.

Sound fair?
kmchugh
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2007 04:09 am
@Freeman15,
Freeman15;38630 wrote:
Well said, I do however take issue with one point:

Yes, he is an experienced soldier, but you don't make 4 stars without knowing the political game very well. Bush went through a few generals before he found this one, so before we slap him on the back (or indict him for that matter), I think Congress should create their own panel and investigate the legitimacy of the good general's claims.

Sound fair?

Frankly, as a 14 year veteran of the Army, I can vouch for the politics of the military. You don't make sergeant without SOME political savy.

But someone here (you?) suggested earlier that the general wasn't a "man on the ground" in that with his four stars, he doesn't go on the ground. This is patently false. He not only is "on the ground," he has access to information and reports not available to most.

My real problem isn't with people who (erroneously, in my opinion) question the accuracy of the general's report. My problem is with people who have never risked a thing calling the general a coward. Between the general and the accuser, only one has ever put his life on the line for the ideals he believes in. So, if one is to hurl accusations of cowardice, then there is only one of these two people to whom the accusation might stick.

I also would have no problem with a congressional panel looking into the general's report. However, remember that politics in this country have become so fractious that the chance of receiving anything like an unbiased, objective report are practically nil. More mud in the water is the greatest possibility.

How about this: How about appointing an unbiased panel of retired general officers (no, Wesley Clark would not be eligible) to review the data and the situation on the ground? Then, we would have the opinion of men and women who have the professional knowledge and experience to judge the situation. Sound fair?
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FedUpAmerican
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2007 09:35 am
@kmchugh,
kmchugh;38618 wrote:


Do I know you??? :dunno:

You're assumptions are what you need to be embarassed for. :FU1:
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2007 10:53 pm
@FedUpAmerican,
So what of your assumption that he is a coward?
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FedUpAmerican
 
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Reply Mon 24 Sep, 2007 06:33 am
@FedUpAmerican,
I'm SURE you know very well what a coward is.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Mon 24 Sep, 2007 08:32 am
@FedUpAmerican,
FedUpAmerican;38756 wrote:
I'm SURE you know very well what a coward is.


LOLOL
FedUpAmerican
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 10:35 am
@FedUpAmerican,
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mlurp
 
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Reply Sat 6 Oct, 2007 09:12 pm
@FedUpAmerican,
That is just your opinion right FedUpAmerican?
Quote; We're building and maintaining permanent military bases from which our military will ensure a near-monopoly of the world's second-largest oil reserve. All this... for a small cadre of corporate fatheads, including the top members of Bush, Inc. The American taxpayer will be burdened with footing the bill for security in Iraq ($2 billion PER DAY!) to provide stable working conditions for Exxon-Mobil, Shell, Halliburton, not to mention the dozens of corporations feeding off the military spend bosom. end Quote.... Wrong the bases are for Iran. man come out of your trailer and see the light. heck even the rest of the board has found this to be the reason. Why is it your always last?
i think your a coward and a birght red neck, so what it is just an opinion.
Didn't you say you served in the Army or have I got that wrong? I hope I do, but enlighten me, please.
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FedUpAmerican
 
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Reply Sun 7 Oct, 2007 12:36 pm
@FedUpAmerican,
Gee should I resort to a "takes one to know one" response.

lurp, you are truly bringing back the term DUNCE.

ROFL!!!
mlurp
 
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Reply Sun 7 Oct, 2007 07:39 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;38555 wrote:
Oh, right! Even though the war is going south, and his credibility "souther", he was going to put up a general who was going to tell the truth about the war, thus, admitting to the world how much he has f...... up?????
You underestimate ( or is it overestimate) Georgie Porgie...
Everyone has said "the surge" has failed...and Dubya has agreed to draw down the troops, back to pre-surge figures...Big Whoop! Who has a brain around here? When are y'all gonna get it...the war was lost before it was begun...there is no winning the war...not even if we nuked 'em! They don't want western democracy...and you can't force them to take it on....for heaven's sake...a retard could gather as much.


But what you left out is they desire to control the entire world and bring it back in time near 1,400 years. what do you say to that?
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mlurp
 
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Reply Sun 7 Oct, 2007 07:53 pm
@FedUpAmerican,
FedUpAmerican;40686 wrote:
Gee should I resort to a "takes one to know one" response.

lurp, you are truly bringing back the term DUNCE.

ROFL!!!


I don't normally say things like this but your an ashole (not mis-spelled) with a mouth that is linked to nothing but mush. Your a real pain in the backside. And your a coward spouting crap like your taking a s**t. This old man could show you some real simple things I have learned over time. Like what respect is about. What the code of conduct means and honor and how to live life with it. And yes to teach you what Christ means about sitting on the fence. Your red neck learning leave all of this out. If you served I bet it was in the stockade. Your not military material as they have standards. And with a mouth like that every man in your platoon would have made you his bitch.
Or has our military gone to hell also? I doubt it.
mlurp
 
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Reply Sun 7 Oct, 2007 07:57 pm
@mlurp,
Oh yes I am going to be on you like glue from now on ! Smack your children around or pluk a chicken or what ever it is you RED NECKs do! I'm sure you do those things better than you post.
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mlurp
 
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Reply Sun 7 Oct, 2007 07:59 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;38769 wrote:
LOLOL

hey I thought you had better sense that giving any credit to this clown!
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FedUpAmerican
 
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Reply Sun 7 Oct, 2007 08:07 pm
@FedUpAmerican,
LOL!

Your personal attacks on me are meaningless.

Such a coward to attack one on a message board. If you ever get up to Chicago, be sure to look me up. I would LOVE to see you TRY to spew your garbage to my face.

But, alas, that will never happen because you seem to always trip on that yellow streak thats on your back, preventing you from leaving Kansas.

Remember Dorothy, there's no place like home.

With people like you attacking Iraqi citizens, its NO WONDER America is in such ****.

You must be one of those "phony soldiers" rush was referring to.

ROFLMAO!!!
 

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