The flood accomplised what?

Bill Clinton woke up one morning after being elected President and told his wife, well lets slash the intelligence budget and force all the senior members of the CIA to quit, and lets see what happens after 8 years. Oh 911.

I think the question should be ?What flood?? This story is evidentially borrowed from much older Semitic religions of the area, the most recent being the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh, which contains the flood story in the internally located Epic of Altrahasis. When looked at logically, the flood story in Genesis does not stand up to close scrutiny. Genesis describes the flood as surging fifteen cubits upward and covering the mountains. Since the highest mountain is over 29,000 feet high, the world would have been buried under 5.45 miles of water. Since there is not that much water currently existing on the planet (or under the surface either), there is the problem of where the excess water went to. Even if you could account for the water, the heat energy released by the fountains of the deep and the water needed for 40 days and 40 nights of rain would pose insurmountable problems. The sheer volume of water needed to cover the surface of the planet (535,662,531,270,633 sq. miles), even if you had half of the water coming from the ?fountains of the deep?, would necessitate it raining 5 inches a minute for 40 periods of 24 hours. As with all rain, this rain would of necessity come from water vapor condensing and losing heat to convert from gaseous state to liquid state. With every gram of water changing from the gaseous state, 10 calories of heat is released. Since a calorie is approximately .004 BTU and one inch of rain over a square mile will contain 857,240,000 grams of liquid water and 6 inches of rain falling per minute would release 12,858,759,000 BTUs of heat energy a minute. This would go on for 40 periods of 24 hours over 535,662,531,270,633 sq miles. Further complicating the matter would be the universal overcast sky; this overcast would enhance the surface retention of the released heat (ever notice that overcast nights are warmer than clear nights ? since clear skies allow the surface heat to radiate into space). These factors, along with the heat released by the geothermal heat of the ?fountains of the deep?, the surface of the planet would quickly exceed 1000 degrees and since ?gopher wood? probably is not fire retardant, Noah and company would be instant barbeque! That is assuming that it could still rain after the surface temperature exceeded 212 degrees Farenheit. Looking at the flood story with logic and science, it is easy to see that the story is nothing more than a Bronze Age myth of a primitive barbaric people. :patriot:

If we could only write off the Bible stories that easy. There are lots of stories in the Bible, like the Red sea crossing which describes Pharoah trying to slaughter the Children of Israel with his army. In the story God turns the table on Pharoah, and it is Pharoahs army that gets slaughtered. Now that story is just as unlikely as the flood, yet they have now discovered the very place where this actually happened, and have found the coral encrusted remains of his army. The Bible talks about this place being marked by pillers, and they found the pillers and below the water they found the army. Also they have found extra Biblical writings carved in stone that support the Biblical account.

If this had been found the media would be all over it, especiall FOX network since they are in the back pockets of the Fundie christians.

Me thinks that you are on the trail of Atlantis, and The Fountain of youth (Which to the best of my knowledge the key to the fountain of youth, lies under the Sphinx's right foot in egypt ) No i am not making that up there is a small belief that their is something there.

I think rugonnacry's just being an idiot, probably for fun.

yet they have now discovered the very place where this actually happened, and have found the coral encrusted remains of his army.

The Bible talks about this place being marked by pillers, and they found the pillers and below the water they found the army. Also they have found extra Biblical writings carved in stone that support the Biblical account.

It sure wasn't formed by a great flood...google it using unbiased websites and you will see that we don't need a magical guy in the sky to explain it, just good old fashioned geological activity over many millions of years. In fact a flood would not distribute things (fossils, various types of minerals) in the way that they are found in the Grand Canyon, but geological activity would. :patriot:

Uh Oh, someone has found ?Anchorstone? the Ron Wyatt website! LOL, dude that guy has been so discredited (by even his partners and assistants) by investigators, including archaeologists, scientists, Bible teachers and commentators, Israeli officials, and others with an interest in establishing or refuting those claims.
Wyatt and his promoters have, in general, refused to answer the questions raised by such detractors. Instead, they have most often chosen to address the questions in general by calling into question the sincerity or honesty of the questioner. They have typically done this by categorizing these individuals into several groups, all implied to have less than honest and reasonable causes for their attempts to refute Wyatt's claims:
Atheists who don't want to admit the truth of the Bible
Disgruntled rival archaeologists looking for glory for themselves
Religious people who disagree with Wyatt's theology and thus his conclusions about the significance of some of his "finds"
Disgruntled religious people who resent that the glory for discovery is going to a Seventh Day Adventist, rather than "one of their own"
In addition, Wyatt claimed in a number of instances that he could not reveal certain facts and evidence that would substantiate some of his claims because he was privately asked--or ordered--by unnamed Israeli authorities to withhold that information as it was believed to be "dangerous" for Israeli security.
Some of the claimed finds of the retired postal worker Ron Wyatt included:
Noah's Ark
?Anchor stones" used by Noah for the ark
The Post-Flood house and tombs of Noah and his wife
The location of Sodom and Gomorrah
Sulfur balls from the burning of Sodom and Gomorrah
The point of the Israelites' crossing of the Red Sea in Exodus
Debris from the pursuing army of Pharoah at the bottom of the sea
The site of the Biblical Mt. Sinai
A chamber at the end of a maze of tunnels under Jerusalem containing artifacts from Solomon's temple
The Ark of the Covenant
The stones on which God carved the Ten Commandments
The exact site of the crucifixion of Jesus
An earthquake crack under the crucifixion site made at the time of the death of Jesus
Blood of Jesus, which dripped down this crack onto the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Covenant, located in a chamber directly beneath the cross
All of which were totally discredited by competent geologists, archeologists, biologists, medical specialists and historians!

Of course Mr. Wyatt (being dead and all) couldn?t show us this evidence, for the aforementioned reasons, but strangely enough those assistants and partners with him (men such as Richard Rives and Bill Frye) can?t submit them for examination either ? almost as if they don?t exist. Could Ron have faked it all ? Naw, not a good Christian like him (sarcastic tone of voice). Are you sure you don?t want to talk about Ron?s claims of finding the Ark?I have extensive geological evidence and reports that totally blow him out of the water!
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Moller who authored the book "The Exodus Case" has been on a 10-year study, even looking into claims of ancient Egyptian chariot wheels found at the bottom of the Red Sea

Moller also believes they have located the real Mt. Sinai. The mountain is in Saudi Arabia and that government has fenced off the site and will not allow any one from the west to see it.

It is believed by some that the Islamics do not want their country turned into a place where Christians and Jews would desire to come. So they discourge anyone from the west to investigate these claims

Two Americans did sneek in and took pictures of this site and found all of the reference points the Bible described.

But don't they claim some 250 million year old stuff on top and 100 million year old stuff in the middle? Also, what caused it? Where's the delta?

Isn't the land throughout the earth made up of mostly sedimentary rock? Wasn't that type of rock formed in and under water.

Aren't there great caverns of underground waters that go hundreds of miles deep?

Wasn't the polar ice cap once three times larger?

What about the large deposits of bones found in, I think Nebraska, can't remember for sure? Bones of animals that normally wouldn't "huddle" together.

Hey, I'm no geologist or even a college grad, just barely a hs grad

but why are we so hung up on believing scientists that claim that something is millions of years old when they can't really even prove it's no more than a few hundreds of years?

Yeah, I know about carbon dating but when will they change their minds about that?

We are all so into proving the theory of evolution but I have another twist for you... What if monkey came from man???

I watched a man walking the other day and he honestly walked like a monkey and was so dang hairy and my husband said, "Well, that guy proves evolution!" As I watched him I thought, hmmmmmm, maybe, but what if..........

Mako,

I just can't debate you. I'm drowning......

Yes you can...just take a deep breath, sit back compose your thoughts and google til the cows come in. I have had much more experience at this and am willing to be patient and even teach you how to rebute even "meanies" like me. Let's just agree to disagree on this one, but just a word of advice, never use Creationist websites as evidence, they are much too easy to rebutt. If you can use "hard science" sites or unbiased historical sites..even the best scholar has weak areas to exploit. Stoicism teaches that the goal in life is knowledge and we acquire knowledge through our senses (hearing, eyes, touch). It also teaches that ethics and morals come through knowledge, so hang in there Ma'am, you will learn and prosper, you have already shown that you aren't afraid to think or learn. - Mako :patriot:

I haven't really used any creationist websites.

I just try to debate from personal experience, memory, and sometimes the History Channel!

google on........