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The flood accomplised what?

 
 
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 06:10 am
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;20964 wrote:
Your terse little replies are next to useless. Here and elsewhere.
What are you speaking to?
What blame should I be taking.
Do better than your one useless liners OK.

Regards
DL


Okay, I'm not sure I go around spouting 'terse little replies" or "one useless liners", but whatever. You said something to the effect of 'if there is a God, why didn't he clean up after humans.' Well, humans have free will and can make whatever mess they want.
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 06:28 am
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;21260 wrote:
It was never God that failed, it was His creation. His creation both angle and man was given by God free will to choose to do good or evil. Both man and fall angles alike both took their free will and then opposed God. God did not create robots but beings that can still choose to do good or evil. God will never be a loser and those who choose God first will never be losers. The losers will be those who choose to oppose God.


You say that God is not a looser and you are right.
The Bible does make His look like a looser though. Reboot Sodom. Failed to change us. The flood a failure to change us. All God's efforts fail.
Breaking His own Law of not killing has failed.

We see the impossibility of reading the Bible literally.

God is not a looser and these reboots did not happen.

God gives us Perfect natures to use in His perfect universe, even here and now is Perfect. Thank God.

A flood would mean that God is admitting failure in creating a Perfect soul. This is impossible.

Regards
DL
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 06:29 am
@Greatest I am cv,
What a wonderful ego you have.

(Terse little reply, just to piss you off Very Happy)
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Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 06:33 am
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;21266 wrote:
The Bible tells you that before Christ would return the Jews would have to return to Israel retake Jerusalem and be invaded by the armies of the world, there are vast prophecies that must be fulfilled before Christ returns and yet He will return and we can see these prophecies coming to pass. I as a Christian have had many encounters with God and I know others would have this kind of relationship with Him if they wanted it. The problem is, most people do not reach out to God, they spend more of their time putting Him down or just ignoring Him.


I have had one Personal encounter with God. That was plenty.
I usually stay away from those who speak to God daily but wonder how many encounters you have had with God and what is His message to you.
When God and I communicated the one time, He chastised me and "saved" me at the same time. Did He do anything to you.

Regards
DL
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Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 06:40 am
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;21276 wrote:
Okay, I'm not sure I go around spouting 'terse little replies" or "one useless liners", but whatever. You said something to the effect of 'if there is a God, why didn't he clean up after humans.' Well, humans have free will and can make whatever mess they want.


I agree and thank you for taking my criticism the way I meant it.
The point I was making is that God would do any required adjustment when He only needed to kill the few instead of waiting till He had to kill the many.
Killing in and of itself breaks His own Law. Not the example a God would give.

A God would not have errors that needed adjustments.

Regards
DL
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 06:47 am
@Greatest I am cv,
The whole point of Noah's story was that Noah was appallingly the only righteous man left. He had stood the test of time, as a person, apparently, and perhaps the flood was a part of God's plan, to narrow down the people of Earth to a set of common morality and worship of God passed down by Noah, rather than a world full of evils.
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 06:52 am
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;21285 wrote:
The whole point of Noah's story was that Noah was appallingly the only righteous man left. He had stood the test of time, as a person, apparently, and perhaps the flood was a part of God's plan, to narrow down the people of Earth to a set of common morality and worship of God passed down by Noah, rather than a world full of evils.


If that was the plan it failed. God looses again.
Why would you want to show God screwing up?
No flood, no looser God.

Regards
DL
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 06:53 am
@Greatest I am cv,
God didn't screw up, humans did. A God who controls humans involuntarily is not one I want to follow.
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 08:38 am
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;21288 wrote:
God didn't screw up, humans did. A God who controls humans involuntarily is not one I want to follow.


I can only ask my original question and see if I can find where the flood accomplished anything.

Regards
DL
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rugonnacry
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 06:44 pm
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;21266 wrote:
The Bible tells you that before Christ would return the Jews would have to return to Israel retake Jerusalem and be invaded by the armies of the world, there are vast prophecies that must be fulfilled before Christ returns and yet He will return and we can see these prophecies coming to pass. I as a Christian have had many encounters with God and I know others would have this kind of relationship with Him if they wanted it. The problem is, most people do not reach out to God, they spend more of their time putting Him down or just ignoring Him.


So you are ssaying to speed things up Th USA needs another coalition of the willing and invade Israel?
rugonnacry
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 06:47 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;21288 wrote:
God didn't screw up, humans did. A God who controls humans involuntarily is not one I want to follow.



Your belief in god DOES control you ... Believe in me and do not sin Or I will fukking spank you... pfft Believe in Me... Lost me right there.
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jun, 2007 10:55 am
@Greatest I am cv,
Yeah, so your choice to be an asshole is an excersize of free will rather than God making you believe in him.
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jun, 2007 12:08 pm
@Reagaknight,
If the flood were a historical event then it would mean that God broke His own law of killing. Including babies and young inocent babies.

Is it OK for a law maker to break his own law, be it God or man.
I know that our governments break their own laws on a daily basis and we all think that this is wrong.
Is it OK for God?

Regards
DL
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rugonnacry
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jun, 2007 12:32 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;21512 wrote:
Yeah, so your choice to be an asshole is an excersize of free will rather than God making you believe in him.


I am an asshole, becasue I point out the flaws in the benevelant being you call God?

In any other contex (other than about god)
I would be credited with Common Sense. LOL It is amazing how much OUT OF CONTEXT god is
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markx15
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jun, 2007 01:09 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
Quote:
If the flood were a historical event then it would mean that God broke His own law of killing. Including babies and young inocent babies.

Is it OK for a law maker to break his own law, be it God or man.
I know that our governments break their own laws on a daily basis and we all think that this is wrong.
Is it OK for God?


It depends on how you view God and his path. If you see him as partial and human, then yes he broke his law, but not if you view him as impartial and "spirit". I believe for instance that for man to reach enlightenment and become one with God he must live in spirit completly detached from material life. That means he is not affected by suffering nor pleasure materially, he places his center outside of his injust, imperfect, finite body. That happening nothing that happens on a material plane affects him, death, life, it is one and the same because one is a result of the other without a begining.
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2007 07:15 am
@markx15,
markx15;21539 wrote:
It depends on how you view God and his path. If you see him as partial and human, then yes he broke his law, but not if you view him as impartial and "spirit". I believe for instance that for man to reach enlightenment and become one with God he must live in spirit completly detached from material life. That means he is not affected by suffering nor pleasure materially, he places his center outside of his injust, imperfect, finite body. That happening nothing that happens on a material plane affects him, death, life, it is one and the same because one is a result of the other without a begining.


I became one with God without travelling the path you show as the road.
Because there is a God what you say about imperfection is wrong. If there is a God then all must be Perfect, as God would not introduce imperfection to His Perfect systems. It must be our perception not reality that is flawed.
I see the Perfection of reality all about. Some day we may all.

Regards
DL
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2007 08:05 am
@Greatest I am cv,
This is why you are an asshole.

Quote:
Believe in me and do not sin Or I will fukking spank you.


Yes, how very concise. You should write a book.
markx15
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2007 09:00 am
@Greatest I am cv,
Quote:
I became one with God without travelling the path you show as the road.
Because there is a God what you say about imperfection is wrong. If there is a God then all must be Perfect, as God would not introduce imperfection to His Perfect systems. It must be our perception not reality that is flawed.
I see the Perfection of reality all about. Some day we may all.


I meant that as the path I follow. Allow me expand about the rest. "Imperfect" is being related to finite, there is no prefection or imperfection, no good or bad, those are conclusions created by our finite minds, that is why we are injust. As you said it is our perception which is flawed, flawed by natural ignorance, by natural limits, by causes and conditions we can't understand, all of which we can overcome. I am curious as to how you became one with God, that is quite a statement, one of which many people become attached to. You see after our first enemy which is fear, the fear of losing even our temporary pleasures, our second is pride, when we recieve a glimps of what really is and believe ourselves to know the true way of things. On another note, we should stop labeling God.
Campbell34
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2007 09:44 am
@rugonnacry,
rugonnacry;21436 wrote:
So you are ssaying to speed things up Th USA needs another coalition of the willing and invade Israel?


The Bible tells us that in the time of the end Russia will join up with Islamic nations in an effort to drive the Jews out of Israel. For a period of two years these nations will threaten America with war. America will at the end of this two year period back away from it's support for Israel. It will be at that time that Russia and the Islamic nations will try to destroy Israel. And it will be at that time that God will once again stand up for Israel, but as God has stated. He is not doing this for the sake of the Jews, He is doing it for His Holy name whom the Jews polluted were ever they wandered. After the events of this time God will be known in the eyes of many nations, and many nations will understand why God allowed the Jews to return to their land one more time. And even the Jews at this time will know the name of their God. Five sixths of this invading army will be destroyed by God. I donot believe Russia and it's allies will understand at this time that it was God that destroyed their army, but I believe they will think at first it was an America trick. As a result, Russia out of fear will hit America without warning with a massive nuclear attack. The Bible states that America will refuse to fire her weapons. The Bible indicates that America will be destroyed in one hours time, and all of her cities will burn and man and beast will have to flee the land and no one will ever be able to live in the land again. The Bible also states that the nations near to America will also be destroyed. It even states that no one will even be able to return to remove a stone for a foundation. Our future is recorded in Scriptures.
The events that will happen after this event will lead to a superpower Europe and a dictator who will fill the vacuum left in the west after America surrenders. The Bible indicates that after this event the Moon will appear red in the sky, and the stars will refuse to shine. It will be at this time when true Christians will be removed off the planet, and the rest of the world for the next seven years will have to deal with the leader of Europe. The Anti Christ. For hundreds of years Christians have been telling the world that the Jews would return to Israel, that they would retake Jerusalem, and all of this is pointing to the return of Jesus Christ. Everything I have stated here, will come to pass.
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2007 09:47 am
@markx15,
markx15;21632 wrote:
I meant that as the path I follow. Allow me expand about the rest. "Imperfect" is being related to finite, there is no perfection or imperfection, no good or bad, those are conclusions created by our finite minds, that is why we are unjust. As you said it is our perception which is flawed, flawed by natural ignorance, by natural limits, by causes and conditions we can't understand, all of which we can overcome. I am curious as to how you became one with God, that is quite a statement, one of which many people become attached to. You see after our first enemy which is fear, the fear of losing even our temporary pleasures, our second is pride, when we receive a glimpse of what really is and believe ourselves to know the true way of things. On another note, we should stop labeling God.


" conditions we can't understand, all of which we can overcome"
Strange use of language or is it just a contradictory statement.

As to my personal experience, the analogy that I can use is that I was "in the spirit" when revelation occurred.

Much of the Bible was writen by those that received revelation while " in the spirit" and put it to paper for inclusion in the Bible.

God is one. The holy Spirit is the telepathic thoughts that God uses to allow contact or initiate contact with us.
Jesus was the greatest and last prophet of God.
He was wholly human and there is no trinity.

If you can believe in telepathy, a rare occurrence, then you might believe that I experienced what I did. If you cannot then anything I say will likely be viewed as a lie.

As to labelling God, I believe that God wants us to rush the end times. This would mean a world religion and a true name for God. The ultimate label.

Regards
DL
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