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world leaders/statesmen

 
 
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 08:36 am
@Red cv,
Red;34832 wrote:
LOL two fellas who have no knowledge of Global History and they are making fun of me, it does't get better than that.

A you still posing as a member of the Hallowed Halls of Academia, LOL learn to type a proper paragraph and then we shall talk. Funny neither has the knowledge to debate me on Nelson but both insult and infer racism. Hello arseholes I'm not whiteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Did I state his cause wasn't a worthy one? NO. I just turned the hypocrisy of the left back at them. Snot and bawlers, lord how much tissue do you go through A?

Scooby make all the jokes you will but you lack of knowledge on the country you pose as the Mother Land is frightening. Perhaps you should of said New England (US) because you are dreadfully lacking in conversation skills regarding Eurabia.


Is it that time of the month? A pad...a really big one, might be the answer. Act accordingly.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 08:41 am
@scooby-doo cv,
If it is her problem at least she can solve it with some absorbency. Where we would have to put your is entirely different.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 08:44 am
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;35098 wrote:
You need to change your name to Nero.


Nero, is said to have "fiddled" while Rome "burned"....I'm not sure I get the analogy( might be alcohol talking)...but if you meant that "a day is coming", then you might be right...what we will all do on "that day", when Rome burns?
Some will fiddle, some will pray, some will gnash teeth, others will help their fellow man, as best they can. I can guess what you'll do........run.
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 08:46 am
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;35305 wrote:
If it is her problem at least she can solve it with some absorbency. Where we would have to put your is entirely different.


You know, a mind is a terrible thing to waste....what happened to you?
Why didn't you get the love you deserved? You know it's not your fault...and you don't have to fault others for what happened to you.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 09:00 am
@scooby-doo cv,
Are you my analyst now. Don't i remember you saying you play chess, care to see who has the mind?
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Freeman15
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 02:13 am
@aaronssongs,
Nelson Mandela co-founded a guerilla group called, "Umkhoto we Sizwe" in 1961, and attacked South African government and military targets. Mandela himself admitted publicly that his group violated human rights, get over yourselves.

During his presidency he disbanded most of the SADF (including 32 Battalion), outlawed mercenary groups (thus eliminating the only force capable of responding to genocide on the continent), and ignored the AIDS epidemic. Mandela did SQUAT.


My most revered historical figure? Robert E. Lee. The man was our nation's most talented soldier, but left his position to fight for his home and convictions. Unlike Jefferson Davis, Lee did not run from the Union, and instead surrendered honorably at Appomattox. I'm also a big fan of Thomas Jefferson.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 08:27 am
@scooby-doo cv,
That's it, your on Aarons **** list when he gets back, LOL.
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socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 10:14 am
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;35300 wrote:
Proof?


Race never enters any of my discussions. Only when a racist confronts me with racist views do I counter.
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 11:55 am
@Freeman15,
Freeman15;36988 wrote:
Nelson Mandela co-founded a guerilla group called, "Umkhoto we Sizwe" in 1961, and attacked South African government and military targets. Mandela himself admitted publicly that his group violated human rights, get over yourselves.

During his presidency he disbanded most of the SADF (including 32 Battalion), outlawed mercenary groups (thus eliminating the only force capable of responding to genocide on the continent), and ignored the AIDS epidemic. Mandela did SQUAT.


My most revered historical figure? Robert E. Lee. The man was our nation's most talented soldier, but left his position to fight for his home and convictions. Unlike Jefferson Davis, Lee did not run from the Union, and instead surrendered honorably at Appomattox. I'm also a big fan of Thomas Jefferson.

tell me something i dont know ! mandela fought for and end to a white racist apartheid regime,where only whites were allowed to vote and the majority of the population (blacks) were treated like dirt,he fought for TRUE DEMOCRACY IN SOUTH AFRICA,NOT THE WHITE APARTHEID RACIST REGIMES IDEA OF DEMOCRACY !
Freeman15
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 02:42 am
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;37045 wrote:
tell me something i dont know ! mandela fought for and end to a white racist apartheid regime,where only whites were allowed to vote and the majority of the population (blacks) were treated like dirt,he fought for TRUE DEMOCRACY IN SOUTH AFRICA,NOT THE WHITE APARTHEID RACIST REGIMES IDEA OF DEMOCRACY !


Right, and killed civilians in the process. Also, he is indirectly responsible for the bloodshed in Sierra Leone, as his laws criminalizing Executive Outcomes, the mercenary group comprised of ex-SADF soldiers, eliminated the only force capable of defeating the RUF. He also invaded Lesotho. Go Mandela!
mlurp
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 03:47 am
@Freeman15,
I think Red, in post number 35 says much and we could add a few other facts
to hers and it is just. Look the middle east is what it is all about for the big three.
Satan, God and the strong and now the developing countries. But there is a big problem the Islam faith which is why this war and other fighting in a lot of other countries are happening. It is getting out of any power to control it very soon if not already human control will be last and response is all that can be done. see a different view, a lot to know here but keep the big picture in mind.

Islam Watch - "Islamization of Europe and Policies to Prevent It" by No Sharia

Criticism as captives allowed to sell stories - Times Online

A discussion on Muslims, Islam and Christianity

conditions

Muslims in the US Military

History of Muslims Fighting with the Wahhabiyyah as they Emerged :.. http://www.NooreMadinah.net
or...

or reason with them... Muslims' fears pose barrier to fighting polio in Nigeria - The Boston Globe

http://hrw.org/backgrounder/asia/burmese_muslims.pdf

Ex-Muslims tell why they left Islam

It's time to face an uncomfortable truth: Muslims can be racists too By Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, The Independant UK

U.S. targeting Islam, many Muslims in poll say « Foehammer’s Anvil

I and you can google and get more for either side, But this is a portion of both. I would have like to have more links showing the good but under the terms I used I came up with this.
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 06:05 am
@Freeman15,
Freeman15;37165 wrote:
Right, and killed civilians in the process. Also, he is indirectly responsible for the bloodshed in Sierra Leone, as his laws criminalizing Executive Outcomes, the mercenary group comprised of ex-SADF soldiers, eliminated the only force capable of defeating the RUF. He also invaded Lesotho. Go Mandela!


so do you think it was ok,for 5 million whites,to rule over 30 million blacks in their own country,mandela fought for the end of apartheid and the rights of black people in south africa,you seem to forget 1000s of black people killed and imprisoned,by the white racist regime,if it wasnt for mandela the racist apetheid regime would still be in control ! maybe you would like that ?
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 07:49 am
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;37176 wrote:
so do you think it was ok,for 5 million whites,to rule over 30 million blacks in their own country,mandela fought for the end of apartheid and the rights of black people in south africa,you seem to forget 1000s of black people killed and imprisoned,by the white racist regime,if it wasnt for mandela the racist apetheid regime would still be in control ! maybe you would like that ?


Please! The rest of the world views Mandela as a statesman and world leader, non pareil. If he cannot share that view, it's clear what his view of blacks as whole is.
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 08:04 am
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;37194 wrote:
Please! The rest of the world views Mandela as a statesman and world leader, non pareil. If he cannot share that view, it's clear what his view of blacks as whole is.


I wonder what they would say if it was the other way round,and 5 million blacks ruled over 30 million whites,who had no vote lived in a racist regime,and were treated like dirt,would they see mandela as a terrorist !
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socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 09:14 am
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;37176 wrote:
so do you think it was ok,for 5 million whites,to rule over 30 million blacks in their own country,mandela fought for the end of apartheid and the rights of black people in south africa,you seem to forget 1000s of black people killed and imprisoned,by the white racist regime,if it wasnt for mandela the racist apetheid regime would still be in control ! maybe you would like that ?


FIrst, the land belonged to all the people, black and white. The whites settled there more than 400 years ago. I agree that what happened in the past was horrible and inexcusable but what has past is not relevant to the crimes against the white Africans following the change in power.

Scooby (and others), a black man attempted to kill me when I was 3. Does that mean I should be free to kill every black man I meet as a result..? Of course not. The struggle there is for POWER, nothing else, and anyone, white or black, that get in the way is murdered.
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 09:36 am
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;37258 wrote:
FIrst, the land belonged to all the people, black and white. The whites settled there more than 400 years ago. I agree that what happened in the past was horrible and inexcusable but what has past is not relevant to the crimes against the white Africans following the change in power.

Scooby (and others), a black man attempted to kill me when I was 3. Does that mean I should be free to kill every black man I meet as a result..? Of course not. The struggle there is for POWER, nothing else, and anyone, white or black, that get in the way is murdered.


Mandela was branded a terrorist by whom ? an undemocratic racist apartheid regime,that treated the indigenous people like dirt on their shoe,"BUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST IS NOT RELEVANT TO THE CRIMES AGAINST WHITE AFRICANS FOLLOWING THE CHANGE IN POWER" like what exactly not being able to vote,not being able to stay in slums,drink from the same water fountain,go to the same beachesride on the same bus ? yeh the whites have had it really hard havent they !
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 09:38 am
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;37258 wrote:
FIrst, the land belonged to all the people, black and white. The whites settled there more than 400 years ago. I agree that what happened in the past was horrible and inexcusable but what has past is not relevant to the crimes against the white Africans following the change in power.

Scooby (and others), a black man attempted to kill me when I was 3. Does that mean I should be free to kill every black man I meet as a result..? Of course not. The struggle there is for POWER, nothing else, and anyone, white or black, that get in the way is murdered.


your lack of knowledge on this subject is staggering,or just blatant racism :thumbdown:
tvsej
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 09:40 am
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;37267 wrote:
Mandela was branded a terrorist by whom ? an undemocratic racist apartheid regime,that treated the indigenous people like dirt on their shoe,"BUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST IS NOT RELEVANT TO THE CRIMES AGAINST WHITE AFRICANS FOLLOWING THE CHANGE IN POWER" like what exactly not being able to vote,not being able to stay in slums,drink from the same water fountain,go to the same beachesride on the same bus ? yeh the whites have had it really hard havent they !


Wasn't that long ago, was it? (what exactly not being able to vote,not being able to stay in slums,drink from the same water fountain,go to the same beachesride on the same bus ? yeh the whites have had it really hard havent they ![/QUOTE)

The same was done to Native Americans.
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 09:41 am
@tvsej,
tvsej;37272 wrote:
Wasn't that long ago, was it?


black people got the vote for the first time in 1994
Freeman15
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 10:08 am
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;37176 wrote:
so do you think it was ok,for 5 million whites,to rule over 30 million blacks in their own country,mandela fought for the end of apartheid and the rights of black people in south africa,you seem to forget 1000s of black people killed and imprisoned,by the white racist regime,if it wasnt for mandela the racist apetheid regime would still be in control ! maybe you would like that ?


I'm all for liberty, but South Africa and the continent as a whole were better off before Mandela came to power. Ask Sierra Leone.
 

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