Hatred hurled from the left towards Christians, why?

Pear of Anguish. That's all I need to say.

Continuing on... you would be incorrect in your first statement, nothing negative being ignored. Also you would be GROSSLY incorrect that the Pope during the Inquisitions criticized it. You do realize that most of the torture devices made were for THAT specific event, correct? These were used to get confessions from heretics. Oh yes, yes yes yes the Church loved torture and the Pope condoned it.

[edit] Death tolls
The historian Hernando del Pulgar, contemporary of Ferdinand and Isabella, estimated that the Inquisition had burned at the stake 2,000 people and reconciled another 15,000 by 1490 (just one decade after the Inquisition began).[43]

Modern historians have begun to study the documentary records of the Inquisition. The archives of the Suprema, today held by the National Historical Archive of Spain (Archivo Hist?rico Nacional), conserves the annual relations of all processes between 1560 and 1700. This material provides information about 49,092 judgements, the latter studied by Gustav Henningsen and Jaime Contreras. These authors calculate that only 1.9% of those processed - approximately 933 - were burned at the stake.

The archives of the Suprema only provide information surrounding the processes prior to 1560. To study the processes themselves, it is necessary to examine the archives of the local tribunals; however, the majority have been lost to the devastation of war, the ravages of time or other events. Pierre Dedieu has studied those of Toledo, where 12,000 were judged for offences related to heresy.[44] Ricardo Garc?a C?rcel has analyzed those of the tribunal of Valencia.[45] These authors' investigations find that the Inquisition was most active in the period between 1480 and 1530, and that during this period the percentage condemned to death was much more significant than in the years studied by Henningsen and Contreras.

Garc?a C?rcel estimates that the total number processed by the Inquisition throughout its history was approximately 150,000. Applying the percentages of executions that appeared in the trials of 1560-1700--about 2%--the approximate total would be about 3,000 put to death. Nevertheless, very probably this total should be raised keeping in mind the data provided by Dedieu and Garc?a C?rcel for the tribunals of Toledo and Valencia, respectively. It is likely that the total would be between 3,000 and 5,000 executed.

Other documents, discovered in the Vatican Archives in 2004 put the toll of heresy cases tried by the Spanish Inquisition between 1540 and 1700 at 44,647, of which 1.8% (804) led to an execution, while another 1.7% were burned in effigy because they had somehow escaped before the sentence was carried out. [46]

However, it is impossible to determine the precision of this total, and owing to the gaps in documentation, it is unlikely that the exact number will ever be known.

Define "mainstream Christian beliefs".

"Hitler was a Christian" Statement

"But he did not have mainstream Christian beliefs" Damage Control

Why are you flexing the definition? Laypeople, famous people, does it matter? Is there a separate definition for "Hitler" and "Everyone else?" Does Pete have two sets of standards for those waiting at the gates? Isn't a sinner going to the same Hell as Hitler?

You're afraid to apply your own definition. Unless it's on the extremes, either good or evil, you refuse to apply your own definition. You've got this "mainstream Christian beliefs" definition all written in stone apparently, and the only person you feel safe using this on is... Hitler?

ad hominem



I don't and neither do you, this is why i go by what he specifically said.



and If you read the Mein Kampf then you'd know as he's said numerous times that he was doing what he did because it was "god's work", as it is quite obvious that anybody that knows anything about hitler was most definately not an atheist.










?I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.?
-Hitler

"The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will.?
-Hitler

?Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.?
-Hitler

?My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter."
-Hitler

"In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison."
-Hitler

"As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. And as a man I have the duty to see to it that human society does not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did the civilization of the ancient world some two thousand years ago ? a civilization which was driven to its ruin through this same Jewish people."
-Hitler

?And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."
-Hitler

?I may not be a light of the church, a pulpiteer, but deep down I am a pious man, and believe that whoever fights bravely in defense of the natural laws framed by God and never capitulates will never be deserted by the Lawgiver, but will, in the end, receive the blessings of Providence.?
-Hitler

"It must be thoroughly understood that the lost land will never be won back by solemn appeals to the God, nor by hopes in any League of Nations, but only by the force of arms."
- Adolf Hitler

Always before God and the world, the stronger has the right to carry through what he wills"
- Adolf Hitler

we may wage the battle of our life The others in the past years have not had the blessing of the Almighty - of Him who in the last resort, whatever man may do, holds in His hands the final decision. Lord God, let us never hesitate or play the coward"
- Adolf Hitler

"Who says I am not under the special protection of God?"
- Adolf Hitler

He wrote it in 1923, back when he needed popular votes. He was open about his anti-Christianity by the time he consolidated all power.

Specific incidents in which it was used? And still, you think that would make Hitler cringe? Hitler killed 6 million, and tortured millions, I sincerely doubt even the worst pope came close.

Historical revision of the Inquisition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It seems to me you're basing your "Inquistion" on the Black Legend. Couldn't find the source of the pope saying the torture was too harsh, but I'm completely sure I've read it.

A few thousand dead. Hitler would cringe at this?

"Beliefs held by most contemporary and/or modern Christians."

Give an example of some context in which you would say "Hitler was a Christian" to someone who knew nothing about Hitler's religion and where it would be a complete description of his religious beliefs.

There is no such context, because such a person would only be able to judge the term "Christian" against what they know about Christianity. They would be forced to assume that Hitler held the same beliefs as a typical modern Christian.

Can't you just tack on a simple phrase at the end for the sake of clarity?

I'm not quite sure what this has to do with my statement. I was criticizing your "97%" statistic. By definition of "mainstream" 97% of one group can not possible be outside the mainstream. But Hitler was certainly not a good example of a typical Christian.

Sabz, you simply haven't read much about Hitler or WWII. Sorry. You don't know very much. You obviously haven't studied the entire story of Adolf Hitler. I began reading about the animal when I was in elementary school. I have a degree in history and I teach history. I'm telling you that YOU DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT ADOLF HITLER. :thumbdown:

Sabz, you simply haven't read much about Hitler or WWII. Sorry. You don't know very much. You obviously haven't studied the entire story of Adolf Hitler. I began reading about the animal when I was in elementary school. I have a degree in history and I teach history. I'm telling you that YOU DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT ADOLF HITLER. :thumbdown:

You teach history!?

Now thats a scary thought!!! :eek:

Too bad you weren't able to directly refute many of my direct quotes of him specifically saying he was a catholic christian. But you can hold on to your conspiracy theories if thats what helps you sleep better at night.

Your quotes must have come from sources pre-dating his assumption of total power in the mid-1930s. As I said many times before, HE NEEDED POPULAR SUPPORT IN THE BEGINNING OF HIS CLIMB TO POWER, AND PANDERED TO CATHOLIC SENTIMENT. Privately, he hated Christianity and considered it incompatible with the 'natural' German ethos. That's what I mean -- you have to study the entire story of Adolf Hitler to know where he stood on religion.

Must have???

Based on what exactly? Your faith that he wasn't a Christian?




?I may not be a light of the church, a pulpiteer, but deep down I am a pious man, and believe that whoever fights bravely in defense of the natural laws framed by God and never capitulates will never be deserted by the Lawgiver, but will, in the end, receive the blessings of Providence.?

( Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered on July 5, 1944)




*notice the date of this speech

You don't know his story. 'Nuff said. Since you're into spreading lies, I say it was you who first injected Blacks with AIDS. Yeah....it was you. You Michigan slave-masters needed to control the Blacks who worked in your auto-factories. So, you injected them with AIDS. Wright is talking about you murderous bourgeoisie types in the Rust Belt.

What, are you unable to continue this argument when present with actual FACTS? :eek:

Don't care to tell me why either the date on that speech is wrong or that he doesn't actually mean what he says? You're hitting a brick wall, Pino and you know it. :banghead:

It's funny though because i can always tell when you've been beat in an argument because you always make those sarcastic conspiracies and 'Ad hominem' attacks.

Yeah......I feel totally destroyed here. YOU HAVE BROKEN ME, BACKWOODS BOY. I can't take it anymore. Don't toy with me like this.:elefant:

PINO:
You don't know his story. 'Nuff said.

yeah especially when most of your arguments resort to this:



which is the same as saying "you're wrong because i said so..."

What, are you unable to continue this argument when present with actual FACTS? :eek:

Don't care to tell me why either the date on that speech is wrong or that he doesn't actually mean what he says? You're hitting a brick wall, Pino and you know it. :banghead:

It's funny though because i can always tell when you've been beat in an argument because you always make those sarcastic conspiracies and 'Ad hominem' attacks.

I'm armed to the teeth with facts. You are the AIDS-Injector Wright keeps babbling about. It's YOU, Dog. Think about it. You oppressed Blacks in your auto-factories, including Malcolm X, who came from Lansing, MI. You tormented the poor guy, radicalized him, and then sent him east, to Boston and NY, to launch race-wars against Whitie. Then you instructed other Blacks, whom you addicted to heroine, to kill him on your behalf, ALL TO KEEP YOUR SLAVE-DRIVING AUTO-INDUSTRY AFLOAT. Now you're hiding in the backwoods, amid rusted out auto-hulls, neck-deep in black-snow, espousing anarchy, hoping the Black Panthers will overlook you in their quest for revenge. :rollinglaugh::rollinglaugh::rollinglaugh: