Hatred hurled from the left towards Christians, why?

Religious membership is based on belief not on individual characteristics.

Really, now? I had to do some research myself to find that data. I can toss ya links if you wish.

Your attempt to twist knowledge sucks. Hitler did not hate Christianity, that's your typical lie to wipe that stain from your crucifix. Hitler hated the power that organized religion could attain (more like feared) and attacked the Church. He made his own version of the Bible! I call it 'Christianity Lite'.

Here, take a look:

Adolf Hitler's religious beliefs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Religious belief: (1) there is one God, who is everything good and everything true. (2) man must pursue a righteous and good life.

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"Every man [or woman] can be saved, and those are saved who acknowledge God and live rightly" (Divine Providence n. 325).


Religion involves belief and individual characteristics, as the individual decides to live the life of faith.

People who purposely worship a God other than the God who is everything of good and everything of truth, are not practicing a religion but they are practicing their fantasies.

Dictionary or no, this article itself proves that it is misleading to call Hitler a 'Christian.'

Private statements
Hitler's private statements are more clear. There are negative statements about Christianity reported by Hitler's intimates, Goebbels, Speer, and Bormann.[18] Joseph Goebbels, for example, notes in a diary entry in 1939: "The F?hrer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay." Albert Speer reports a similar statement: "You see, it?s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn?t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"[19] In the Hossbach Memorandum Hitler is recorded as saying that "only the disintegrating effect of Christianity, and the symptoms of age" were responsible for the demise of the Roman empire.[20] In 1941, Hitler praised an anti-Christian tract from 362CE, Julian's Against the Galileans, saying "I really hadn't known how clearly a man like Julian had judged Christians and Christianity, one must read this..."[21] He was reported to say that religion should die on its own accord.[22]

This shows his obvious contempt for Christianity in accepted forms, even if he did devise his own form of Christianity.

What is misleading is that saying he was a Christian automatically makes whoever hears that draw a connection to the Christianity they know(Barack Hussein Obama, anyone?) if you don't clarify that he hated such Christianity and preferred his own, very different, form of Christianity.

Dictionary or no, this article itself proves that it is misleading to call Hitler a 'Christian.'

Private statements
Hitler's private statements are more clear. There are negative statements about Christianity reported by Hitler's intimates, Goebbels, Speer, and Bormann.[18] Joseph Goebbels, for example, notes in a diary entry in 1939: "The F?hrer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay." Albert Speer reports a similar statement: "You see, it?s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn?t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"[19] In the Hossbach Memorandum Hitler is recorded as saying that "only the disintegrating effect of Christianity, and the symptoms of age" were responsible for the demise of the Roman empire.[20] In 1941, Hitler praised an anti-Christian tract from 362CE, Julian's Against the Galileans, saying "I really hadn't known how clearly a man like Julian had judged Christians and Christianity, one must read this..."[21] He was reported to say that religion should die on its own accord.[22]

This shows his obvious contempt for Christianity in accepted forms, even if he did devise his own form of Christianity.

What is misleading is that saying he was a Christian automatically makes whoever hears that draw a connection to the Christianity they know(Barack Hussein Obama, anyone?) if you don't clarify that he hated such Christianity and preferred his own, very different, form of Christianity.

What people do and what they believe are two very different [things].

Ever have somone lecture you about the importance of protecting the envoirment just before speeding off in their hummer...

please do give me a link to that information.

Continuing the read...

Drawing on higher criticism and some branches of theologically liberal Protestantism, Hitler advocated "Positive Christianity", traditional Christianity purged of everything that he found objectionable. Hitler never directed his attacks on Jesus himself, but viewed traditional Christianity as a corruption of the original ideas of Jesus, whom Hitler regarded as an Aryan opponent of the Jews. In Mein Kampf Hitler writes that Jesus "made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross." Hitler rejected the idea of Jesus' redemptive suffering, stating in 1927:

"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter."

He identified himself as a Christian. His "sect" of Christianity may have differed from the usual catholic/protestant/how-many-sects-are-there Christian, but that is the religion for which he identified.

Stop trying to knock this ball into our court. He was a Christian, and identified with such (some even supported him). Whether or not he was a good one, well that's different...

My post still applies, I was talking about the stuff you quoted. It's misleading to call him a 'Christian' without clarification, because of the connection to mainstream Christianity it brings to mind, which is not at all like Hitler's form of Christianity.

He obviously did not like the early Christians, from his private comments, so it is not unreasonable to assume it was all a ploy to get what he wanted and not lose the support of Christian Germans.

Christianity.

You miss the point completely. It is still misleading to call him a Christian without clarification.

Christians have no problem throwing that one on the "atheists" without any sort of clarification (or reason).

Hitler was a Christian. Deal. That doesn't mean all Christians are Hitler.

Example?

But 'Christian' in a modern sense brings up a specific image, which is not what Hitler was. So it's technically factual, but still misleading.

Example?

But 'Christian' in a modern sense brings up a specific image, which is not what Hitler was. So it's technically factual, but still misleading.

Hitler -> Evolution -> Atheist.

I know you've heard that little line at least once

Shall we discuss what Popes of old did? Some of that stuff would have made Hitler shudder in fright.

See the thing is, you want to "clarify" this so that Christian is equated to Mother Teresa and all that is good and wonderful in the world. Nothing else. The wrongdoings done in that name are completely ignored or tossed onto someone else's plate. Tell me, were the Inquisitions done by "Christians"? Does the Pope of that time need some "clarification" for condoning torture?

By your definition, 96% of people identifying themselves as "Christian" from about 400AD to now... aren't.

so why would Hitler be any different? Oh yeah thats right because he makes your religion look bad, and that is the only reason you think that.

Sorry to disappoint, I've heard nothing besides Hitler->Evolution.

Well, go on.

If only I were your therapist, this would be an exciting breakthrough revealing your true hate of Christianity. I'm quite sure that nothing negative in the history of the Church has been ignored, in fact it has been blown out of proportion if anything. I think the Pope during the Spanish Inquisition criticized it. So Popes have been ***s through history, and they would be noted as having been such.

Why would it be so hard to say "Hitler was a Christian, but he did not have mainstream Christian beliefs?" Exactly why do you seem to oppose this on principle? It would seem from that that your intention is to mislead.

Where would that figure be from? Most Christians that have lived since then would have been laypeople. So the huge majority of medieval European peasants, for example, according to your interpretation of my words, would be as bad as Hitler according to me?

Not unless your intention is to falsely connect his religion to mine in ideological terms.

Remember Stalin was an athiest and killed over three times as many as Hitler.

Ah and I suppose you can read his mind and know what he believed despite that fact everything he said contradicts that?

More log cabin-fever delirium, I see.

How in the hell would I know what Hitler privately thought, aside from what he or others wrote?????

I like to read, and I read a lot. Have you ever read Mein Kampf? I doubt it. Until you do, you can't say you know much about what Hitler thought. It's mandatory reading for anyone who really wants to know something first-hand about the dude. It's a primary source.:cussing: