U.S. Seeks Silence on CIA Prisons

Brent, we're not being nice and playing by the rules. We're torturing thousands
of people, picked up on tips, and obviously the information we're getting
isn't preventing our soldiers from being killed or turning much around in
Iraq, or anyplace else.

Please tell me you understand that...

What I understand is our military is facing an enemy that fights like cowards. They have no uniform distinguishing themselves from civilians, they attack US forces in heavily populated areas basically begging the US to return fire in order to kill their own people.

What I understand is they are beheading our military and civilian workers.

When the enemy abides by the Geneva Convention we will. That is how I see it.

The difference between us and the enemy is our soliders are not targeting the civilians. They are not torturing the nice old lady down the road for information. US troops are not positioning themselves so that enemy fire will obtain civilian casualties. When they drop bombs they take every action possible to reduce civilian deaths.

That is enough for me to sleep at night knowing we are better than the enemy.

If you think torturing people puts us on the same field as the people we fight then I don't know what to tell you other than you are wrong and horribly misguided.

Instead of Muslims in Iraq standing up and fighting for their own rights and fighting to regain control from their country and to keep tyrants out of office that threaten world stability they instead sit back and do nothing. Then it is left up to the United States to step in and stop radical governments from becoming to powerful.

Oh but yea.. it's all the United States fault because we have a few pictures of people put in less than ideal situations.... yet they are still alive.

I was just so tired to feel all alone with DRNeline...those m......r f...rs are trying to depict the american troupes as vicious criminals!!!

"A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at
how many want in ... And how many want out."
Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
1. Jesus Christ
2. The American G. I.
One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.

Drnaline - if that quote is accurate , I want to "borrow" it . Can you provide a link to when and where Blair said it ?
Did he add the last three lines , or did you ?

I posted it verbatim as i got it. In an email. I'll try and get a link.

http://action.aclu.org/torturefoia/released/102405/

Torture was indicated in a few of these cases.

Quick facts.Human Rights First | Us Law & Security | Torture: Quick Facts

Man you sure do care a lot about the enemy.

Or is it you just post anything that will make Bush look bad even if it means supporting the enemy?

I wonder if we lead by example? Didn't we train some of these guys?


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"Last year, investigators discovered evidence of abuse and torture at two other detention centers run by the Interior Ministry, but the Iraqi government has not announced any indictments in connection with those cases"

They can't even police themselves at this point. I dont see how they will ever police the country. They don't have the quality of recruits it takes for a civil war, but we broke so I guess we fix it.

"The Leahy Law, named for its author, Senator Patrick Leahy, Democrat of Vermont, requires that assistance to foreign military and police forces stop if the secretary of state has ''credible evidence'' implicating them in human rights abuses -- unless effective measures are taken to bring offenders to justice. The law covers money in the foreign operations budget and Defense Department training programs."

All is fair in laws and war. We make laws so we can break most of them in the name of democracy. What country wouldn't embrace a system like that?:wootSMILEY:


What would the Secretary consider " credible evidence" :scratchchin:
Oh, I forgot, they have their own definition for human rights violations. :banghead:

Stay the course.:drive: :patriot:

Your never alone Sherm. aDReNALINE says so. Best thing i could say to you Sherm is "Welcome to the good fight"

You just don't give up, do ya? My God!!! What's wrong with you???
If are you so concerned, would like to go there and help them out, to kill our soldiers?? It seems it would make you feel better!!!!:frown:

Human Right are hideous!!:eek: ..They always back up criminals and terrorists, by trying to make their lives better....I wonder who heck is scared anymore to commit mass murder, rape, fraud, etc.. Nobody because HR are there to protect them and look after their miserable stinky disgusting lives...:no:

Tumbleweed , please read this article . It is quite long , but worth the time , I think .
The only issue this election
The Only Issue This Election Day
By Orson Scott Card

"There is only one issue in this election that will matter five or ten years from now, and that's the War on Terror.

And the success of the War on Terror now teeters on the fulcrum of this election.

If control of the House passes into Democratic hands, there are enough withdraw-on-a-timetable Democrats in positions of prominence that it will not only seem to be a victory for our enemies, it will be one.

Unfortunately, the opposite is not the case -- if the Republican Party remains in control of both houses of Congress there is no guarantee that the outcome of the present war will be favorable for us or anyone else. "


Found in realclearpolitics.com

What I understand is our military is facing an enemy that fights like cowards. They have no uniform distinguishing themselves from civilians, they attack US forces in heavily populated areas basically begging the US to return fire in order to kill their own people.

What I understand is they are beheading our military and civilian workers.

When the enemy abides by the Geneva Convention we will. That is how I see it.

The difference between us and the enemy is our soliders are not targeting the civilians. They are not torturing the nice old lady down the road for information. US troops are not positioning themselves so that enemy fire will obtain civilian casualties. When they drop bombs they take every action possible to reduce civilian deaths.

That is enough for me to sleep at night knowing we are better than the enemy.

If you think torturing people puts us on the same field as the people we fight then I don't know what to tell you other than you are wrong and horribly misguided.

Instead of Muslims in Iraq standing up and fighting for their own rights and fighting to regain control from their country and to keep tyrants out of office that threaten world stability they instead sit back and do nothing. Then it is left up to the United States to step in and stop radical governments from becoming to powerful.

Oh but yea.. it's all the United States fault because we have a few pictures of people put in less than ideal situations.... yet they are still alive.