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Idiot America

 
 
Reply Tue 22 Jun, 2010 06:57 am
Quote:
Don't want to be an American idiot.
Don't want a nation under the new media
And can you hear the sound of hysteria?
The subliminal mind **** America.

Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the alien nation.
Where everything isn't meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We're not the ones who're meant to follow.
For that's enough to argue.

Well maybe I'm the faggot America.
I'm not a part of a redneck agenda.
Now everybody do the propaganda.
And sing along to the age of paranoia.

Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the alien nation.
Where everything isn't meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We're not the ones who're meant to follow.
For that's enough to argue.

Don't want to be an American idiot.
One nation controlled by the media.
Information age of hysteria.
It's calling out to idiot America.

Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the alien nation.
Where everything isn't meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We're not the ones who're meant to follow.
For that's enough to argue.


My god, is this a song for the ages or what? I've always loved Green Day and especially loved the album "American Idiot"....it came out at just the right time. However, with the new Obama-Devil hysteria, this song/album is as real as ever.

I love America. I love my country and the ideals it's founded on. But holy ****, are there a bunch of whacked out sheep out there....follow what you think might be the truth because you want it to be the truth and it maybe supports some of what you believe regardless of the accuracy of the statement or movement.

I got an email from my family who's email stated " What's missing in this photo of President Obama? He said he'd change America but nobody was paying attention!" The photo shows him at a press conference without the flag behind him. Then it shows 4 other photos of Presidents with the flag behind them, as though these 5 pictures represent every press conference ever held. I guess one looking at this email is suppose to believe that every other time there was a flag behind the President. Or that there were never any other press conferences/speeches where there wasn't a flag backdrop because this emails shows FOUR examples of where there was a flag backdrop. I especially love the part about "nobody paying attention" since well, isn't that exactly what the people who believe and pass on this information are doing?

If you dislike Obama, that's great. We wouldn't be anywhere if people all agreed on everything. But for the love of God, at least hate him for something REAL.

This is what pisses me off most about the anti-Obama movement. The sheer ignorance that is shown by people who want nothing more than to make this guy a monster. They spend all this time looking for mistakes and things to get him on....he's a politician. Is it really that difficult to find something negative that's true?


 
snood
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jun, 2010 08:12 am
It's what I've been saying, Bella - the disingenuousness of the criticism.
All that "not like you and me, communist, socialist, Muslim, not native-born, evil-plotting-the -downfall-of-America" bullshyt.
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Khethil
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jun, 2010 08:21 am
... spot on Bella. I've become ashamed of that which I spent 20 years defending, idealizing and believing in.

The words of that song are quite telling; there's not a single verse in there that shouldn't represent a very large warning of what we've become
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Krumple
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jun, 2010 08:36 am
@Bella Dea,
Bella Dea wrote:
This is what pisses me off most about the anti-Obama movement. The sheer ignorance that is shown by people who want nothing more than to make this guy a monster. They spend all this time looking for mistakes and things to get him on....he's a politician. Is it really that difficult to find something negative that's true?


As soon as there is something significant to talk about, you guys plug your ears and say la la la la la what? Can't hear you. What? Obama skipped out on every single campaign promise he made? You mean to tell me, that he has not changed any of the Bush administration policies? Yes that is because he inherited a bad office, and that takes time to clean up. You can't blame him for that!

Bull ****. He is the freakin president, why wouldn't he be able to change policy? Yet he is doing absolutely EVERYTHING bush was doing and more. Bush had actually less spending policy. Obama has spent more in his first year than bush did in five years. I hate that I have to talk up Bush, but Obama is just as bad as Bush, but of course no one wants to recognize or admit that. The media has done a really good job of deflecting it and making it seem like he is Bushes opposite, but he's not. He is Bush.
parados
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jun, 2010 09:17 am
@Krumple,
Quote:

Bull ****. He is the freakin president, why wouldn't he be able to change policy? Yet he is doing absolutely EVERYTHING bush was doing and more. Bush had actually less spending policy. Obama has spent more in his first year than bush did in five years. I hate that I have to talk up Bush, but Obama is just as bad as Bush, but of course no one wants to recognize or admit that. The media has done a really good job of deflecting it and making it seem like he is Bushes opposite, but he's not. He is Bush.

EVERYTHING? Well, that's a bit of an overstatement. He might be doing many things but not EVERYTHING. How can you even say that with a straight face.

Obama has spent more in his first year than Bush did in five?
Care to back that up because the US treasury doesn't agree with you. Nor does the budget office or the CBO.
US expenditures in 2009 were 3.5 trillion
US expenditures in 2010 are expected to be 3.7 trillion
US expenditures in 2008 was 2.9 trillion
US expenditures in 2007 was 2.7 trillion

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy11/pdf/hist.pdf
Table 1.2 - Outlays

I don't know where you learned math but 2.7 + 2.9 is MORE than 3.5 so your 5 year argument is clearly bogus.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jun, 2010 09:34 am
@Krumple,
Krumple wrote:
As soon as there is something significant to talk about, you guys plug your ears and say la la la la la what? Can't hear you. What? Obama skipped out on every single campaign promise he made? You mean to tell me, that he has not changed any of the Bush administration policies?

Bull ****.


Yeah, you're right. Most of what you put in that first paragraph is complete and utter bullshit. Good job. Thanks for pointing out another example of what an American Idiot would say.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jun, 2010 09:36 am
@Krumple,
I agree with Kickycan; you seem to have a child's understanding of politics.

Cycloptichorn
Ragman
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jun, 2010 09:40 am
@Cycloptichorn,
agreed. Gross oversimplification and lack of understanding of how the legislative and US federal gov't works. Congress holds equal responsibility and it has shown how gutless and CRIMINALLY ineffective it really is.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jun, 2010 09:40 am
@Krumple,
Hey Krumple, why don't you do some reading before making a complete ass of yourself.

www.politifact.org

Obama has not "skipped out on every campaign promise he made".

And here we go again with the "pro Obama" and "anti- Obama" ****.

No one I know is 100% pro Obama. But there are quite a few who are 100% anti. So, what does that tell you? Nothing is ever 100% anything.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jun, 2010 09:45 am
Krumple,
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/subjects/politifacts-top-promises/

Get a brain.
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Krumple
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jun, 2010 10:09 am
You all are funny, you have no response other than an insult. Oh Krumple why don't you read more of our propaganda garbage that way you understand what it is we are duped by.

politifact.com?

Are you serious?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jun, 2010 10:11 am
@Krumple,
Krumple wrote:

You all are funny, you have no response other than an insult. Oh Krumple why don't you read more of our propaganda garbage that way you understand what it is we are duped by.


Perhaps if you were to offer some specific points, we would be able to counter your specific points. Parados did exactly that in a post above, showing that you were perfectly wrong with your claim that Obama spent more in his first year than Bush did in 5.

When you throw out vapid generalities which are obviously the product of an uninterested and uneducated mind, you get insulted. Not hard to figure out. If you want better responses, bring better content.

Cycloptichorn
Krumple
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jun, 2010 10:25 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Perhaps if you were to offer some specific points, we would be able to counter your specific points. Parados did exactly that in a post above, showing that you were perfectly wrong with your claim that Obama spent more in his first year than Bush did in 5.


Yeah perfectly wrong, with inaccurate numbers. The "seasonally adjusted" numbers that have left out most if not all of the war and social programs. I find it funny that you would even try to use those numbers.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

When you throw out vapid generalities which are obviously the product of an uninterested and uneducated mind, you get insulted. Not hard to figure out. If you want better responses, bring better content.


Actually nothing I would have to say to you Cycloptichorn would mean much because you have already decided to just take propaganda as your information. It has nothing to do with what I say, you have already bought your piece of the bullshit and are eating it, so since you enjoy it so much, why bother to remind you that you are eating nothing but bullshit someone else handed you?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jun, 2010 10:28 am
@Krumple,
Quote:
Yeah perfectly wrong, with inaccurate numbers. The "seasonally adjusted" numbers that have left out most if not all of the war and social programs. I find it funny that you would even try to use those numbers.


This is 100% bullshit. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

One of the things that Obama did was put the wars BACK ON the budget, instead of funding them through 'supplementals' in the way that Bush did. You have it completely backwards.

If you think that is incorrect, link to what you believe the TRUE numbers to be. I doubt you will do so, because you're full of ****.

Quote:
Actually nothing I would have to say to you Cycloptichorn would mean much because you have already decided to just take propaganda as your information. It has nothing to do with what I say, you have already bought your piece of the bullshit and are eating it, so since you enjoy it so much, why bother to remind you that you are eating nothing but bullshit someone else handed you?


A vapid statement from someone who has done little research and no analysis, yet believes that their opinion matters to anyone here.

Believe me when I say that you are far from the first, and won't be the last, to come here and spout off about **** that you know nothing about. If you disagree with what Obama is doing, fine; show exactly where you disagree, with proof. Otherwise, get used to derision, because unsourced and inaccurate assertions don't get you far here on A2K.

Cycloptichorn
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jun, 2010 10:39 am
@Krumple,
Uh yeah. It's a non-partisan website that received the Pulitzer Prize in 2009.

Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jun, 2010 10:41 am
@Krumple,
This made me laugh outloud. Cyclo is submitting to propaganda?

Hahahahahahaha!
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jun, 2010 10:45 am
@Bella Dea,
Besides, does anyone with a brain get all their information from one place? It's called a starting point. A place to start so you can do your own research. You do know what that is, right?
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jun, 2010 10:49 am
Quote:

Say, hey!

Hear the sound of the falling rain
Coming down like an Armageddon flame
The shame, the ones who died without a name

Hear the dogs howling out of key
To a hymn called "Faith and Misery"
And bleed, the company lost the war today

I beg to dream and differ from the hollow lies
This is the dawning of the rest of our lives
On Holiday

Hear the drum pounding out of time
Another protester has crossed the line
To find the money's on the other side

Can I get another Amen?
There's a flag wrapped around a score of men
A gag, a plastic bag on a monument

I beg to dream and differ from the hollow lies
This is the dawning of the rest of our lives
On holiday

The representative from California has the floor

Zieg Heil to the president gasman
Bombs away is your punishment
Pulverize the Eiffel towers
Who criticize your government

Bang, bang goes the broken glass
Kill all the fags that don't agree
Trials by fire, setting fire
Is not a way that's meant for me
Just cause, just cause, because we're outlaws, yeah

I beg to dream and differ from the hollow lies
This is the dawning of the rest of our lives
I beg to dream and differ from the hollow lies
This is the dawning of the rest of our lives

This is our lives on holiday


And this, Krumple, was written about your dear Prez W and Admin. This is how he is and will be remembered in history.

Art mimicking life. Music is a fantastic representation of what is happening in the real world. And obviously, this speaks for itself.
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jun, 2010 01:05 pm
@Krumple,
Quote:
Yeah perfectly wrong, with inaccurate numbers. The "seasonally adjusted" numbers that have left out most if not all of the war and social programs. I find it funny that you would even try to use those numbers.

Seasonally adjusted numbers? Spending is NOT seasonally adjusted. Employment is seasonally adjusted.

The spending numbers include ALL spending. It is the accounting of ALL US spending and includes on and off budget spending.

I find it funny that you didn't present any evidence but only made up some stuff that doesn't even make sense.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jun, 2010 01:30 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Krumple wrote:

You all are funny, you have no response other than an insult. Oh Krumple why don't you read more of our propaganda garbage that way you understand what it is we are duped by.


Perhaps if you were to offer some specific points, we would be able to counter your specific points. Parados did exactly that in a post above, showing that you were perfectly wrong with your claim that Obama spent more in his first year than Bush did in 5.

When you throw out vapid generalities which are obviously the product of an uninterested and uneducated mind, you get insulted. Not hard to figure out. If you want better responses, bring better content.

Cycloptichorn


When did he close Gitmo? Pretty sure he promised to do that.
Warrantless wiretapping is gone?
No more no-bid contracts over $25,000?
Where can we, the public, comment on Bills ready to sign? I thought we would have 5 days for that.
Glad to see that lobbyists aren't in the Obama administration.
That public option he promised, how is that working out?
PAYGO must be in effect, he promised that.
People making less then $250,000 will be glad their taxes have remained unchanged.
All of the detainees in the old Guantanamo Bay prison facility now have habeus corpus wherever they may be now as Obama promised, right?
All the White House communications are open now? Not like when Bush was in office. Obama promised that too.

Boy, this is getting to be a long list of things Obama promised to do, but has thus far failed to achieve.
 

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