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Why are Atheists so Scary?

 
 
sometime sun
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 02:47 pm
@dlowan,
'atheism' not atheists, I don't think you are demons and monsters.
Love is a belief system and faith in an intangible.
Love is a faith in the supernatural.
I believe you love, I believe you are touched by the supernatural.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 02:48 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

What are your reasons for not believing?

I'm more than willing to listen.


Do you believe in unicorns? If not, what are your reasons for not believing?

While I can't speak for all atheists, as littlek indicates it really is that simple for at least some of us. We do fine without believing in unicorns (or any gods). There is no particular hole or whatever because we don't believe in unicorns (or any gods). There are no particular reasons that we don't believe in unicorns (or any gods) beyond the fact that they just don't seem plausible. Do you need to have some fundamental trauma or struggle or psychological issue to believe that unicorns never actually existed? Or does that just seem like the most logical conclusion?
sometime sun
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 02:54 pm
@Krumple,
Thank you Krumple as always you are fount of knowledge.
sometime sun
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 03:04 pm
@Setanta,
But delusional enough to know I am delusional and looking for a way to get out of it.

I am usually bizarre, if you don't like this about me or cant try to aid me or see me as a searcher I suggest for your own benefit in future you ignore me.

"I" think they are angry, "I" try to rationalise, "I" am terrified, "I" need help.

Sorry I am so poor in your sights.
Have a good evening.
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sometime sun
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 03:09 pm
@Setanta,
I never meant to say they were to be feared or were scary to all, I meant to say I was scared of them, please go from my edit instead of the original. I did ask for that.
Have I at all said in the course of this that the fault was the atheists?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 03:09 pm
@littlek,
littlek wrote:

My point is that we seem to be speaking in two different languages. More than that, even. It's almost as if we live in different, but over-lapping worlds. We simply don't have a belief in a higher power. That's it. It seems so incredibly simple to me, yet time and time again it gets twisted and distorted by people who do.


Well, when it comes to some of our new friends in A2K that certainly is the case.

Some of them speak the language of pretentious would-be mystics, and the rest of us (though often wrong) get more to the freakin point.

You needn't have a belief in a higher power. It can't be proven either way.

My issue is with atheists who have come to their "disbelief" through dissapointment rather than reason.

It seems to me that people who insist on advancing the case for atheisim are unsure of their disbelief and want to prove it to themselves. I don't, for one second, believe that Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens are trying to save the world from irrational belief in the divine.

If someone came to you and insisted that dragons are roaming the earth, you might attempt to disabuse them of their irrational belief, but I would expect and hope that such efforts would be very limited. At some point, early on, you would conclude that the person is irrational, that you knew full well dragons didn't roam the earth, and that there was no point in pressing on with your argument.

If you were not sure, though, and the possibility of dragons roaming the earth disturbed or alarmed you, you might easily continue to vigorously dispute the person's claim in order to support your own.

Don't believe. I'm not going to try and convince you to believe.

I feel sorry for you that you have reached this point (and truly not in a condescending way) but totally respect your call. Only you know how you came to the conclusion.

What I can't abide are atheists who insist on trumpeting their disbelief with a fanfare that declares believers are irrational idiots.

I'm also not too keen on believers that insist on trumpeting their belief with a fanfare that declares non-believers are defective sinners.

Too often, in my opinion, the atheist's argument is inextricably woven with his or her argument against religion. Once again, such arguments seem to be a function of dissappointment. Religion has never and will never be the salvation of humanity, because it doesn't exist outside of humanity. It can and has been a vehicle for the worst of human intent, but it has also been a vehicle for the best. It is a BIG thought for humans and it will invariably have big consequences, but not only have they not all been bad, it is difficult to imagine how the good consequences they resulted in would have manifested without them.

sometime sun
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 03:10 pm
@dlowan,
Yes I will make sure my feelings are kept yo myself in future.
Krumple
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 03:10 pm
@sometime sun,
sometime sun wrote:

Thank you Krumple as always you are fount of knowledge.


Thanks, that might be a bit too generous.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 03:15 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

Thanks, fart.


To anyone wondering, I am a big fan of failures art. That was a tease.
sometime sun
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 03:22 pm
@failures art,
I do not think there is a threat but my fear tries to delude me otherwise.
Thank you this is mostly true.
Definitely a perceived mental weakness.
MY weakness.
Thanks
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 03:22 pm
@sozobe,
sozobe wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

What are your reasons for not believing?

I'm more than willing to listen.


Do you believe in unicorns? If not, what are your reasons for not believing?

I've never seen one. No one I know has ever seen one. There is absolutely no historical or scientific record that they have ever existed. There is nothing in my perception of existence that cannot be explained unless unicorns exist.A belief in unicorns has never required faith.

It was Diest who complained that people would not listen to the arguments of atheists. I'm happy to hear them, but still I'm not provided with them.


While I can't speak for all atheists, as littlek indicates it really is that simple for at least some of us. We do fine without believing in unicorns (or any gods). There is no particular hole or whatever because we don't believe in unicorns (or any gods). There are no particular reasons that we don't believe in unicorns (or any gods) beyond the fact that they just don't seem plausible. Do you need to have some fundamental trauma or struggle or psychological issue to believe that unicorns never actually existed? Or does that just seem like the most logical conclusion?

The analogy with believing in unicorns is specious and I won't address it a second time.

If there is no particular reason why you don't believe in God, your disbelief is at best capricious.

If you wish to explain your disbelief as "just because," that's fine, but not very convincing.

I don't expect you to prove that God doesn't exist any more than I am willing to suggest that I must prove he does.

I can, however, offer some reasoning as to why I believe in God and I would hope that you and others could offer the same for your disbelief other than "we just do."

In your view of things, how did everything start?







sometime sun
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 03:23 pm
@dlowan,
When and where did you finally see I was asking for help?

Thanks
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 03:23 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

ossobuco wrote:

Thanks, fart.


To anyone wondering, I am a big fan of failures art. That was a tease.


He's been begging for it and I would have complied if I didn't feel more findly about him as "Diest"
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littlek
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 03:25 pm
Shall we all try to agree that MOST theists do not try to cram their religion down others' throats and that MOST atheists, likewise, do not try to persuade anyone into atheism (the notion is ridiculous to me). The people who take either tact are the proverbial squeaky wheels that make the rest of us resentful at best.

All that aside, there is still the consideration of basic communication, civility and tolerance. Accept for one attempt here on a2k, I NEVER open up a conversation about my atheism with someone I don't know well. I also never open up a conversation about someone else's beliefs. Conversations generally occur after someone is being religious at me and getting upset about me. I have had more than one person yell at me for saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas. Yes YELL at me while including all the other assholes who may go that route as well. Usually when I say that I am referring to Christmas and New Years. How bizarre that reaction is to me I can't even seem to explain.

It does seem as though theists are afraid of us. I also can't fathom why that is. Aside from the loud, shrill and antagonistic atheists who are reported to be out there we are normal, well-adjusted, happy, polite members of society. If most of us atheists can look past the shrill theists, of which there are MANY more, why can't you look past our version?

Doesn't the mere fact that there are so fewer of us than you make you feel better, help you realize that we have no power over you?
littlek
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 03:26 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn, to us god has as much factual validity as unicorns do. There has been no more evidence of a god than of unicorns.
sometime sun
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 03:29 pm
@failures art,
Thank you failures art I needed this post at this point in my journey through this thread.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 03:30 pm
@Twirlip,
I enjoyed that post, Twirlip.

As it happens, I, an a-theist, am fine that religion exists around the world. I have seen much good happening through it. I also have seen many wrongs, so I'm careful regarding any applause I might give it. Neither of these impacts my own lack of belief.
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sometime sun
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 03:31 pm
@Krumple,
Good post Krumple
Thanks
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sometime sun
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 03:33 pm
@fresco,
Thank you fresco this answers my brief
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 03:33 pm
@qwertyportne,
Neat signature line, qwerty..
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