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Does free will exist?

 
 
htam9876
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2022 03:57 pm
Nightmare again last night: “capital punishment”. Hard landing.The First Order PRESENCE…
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The Anointed
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2022 06:59 pm
@Agent Smith,
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Well, Deus is part of determinism but I suppose He makes an exception every now and then. Good for Him and for us too, wouldn't you agree?

God, who is all that exists and has been evolving from the everlasting and will continue to evolve into the everlasting, may determine the structure of each of his universal generational bodies, but never the actions of his intelligent creations: He gives each and everyone a choice whether or not to obey the law that He has written in our hearts and He holds each and everyone of us morally responsible for our actions committed according to our own free will.

Do you want your children to despise and disobey you?
Are you a wilful destroyer of the environment around you?
Do you want others to harm or kill you or yours’?
Do you want others to steal what is yours?
Do you want others to have sex with your spouse, etc, etc.?

If you have answered ‘NO’ to these and yet have done this to your neighbour, then you have broken the very law that you impose on the society around you, and the very law that is written on our hearts.
Agent Smith
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2022 04:28 pm
@The Anointed,
How intriguing, isn't it, that Deus is the final authority on ethics?
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2022 07:14 pm
Free will may not exist. However, Free Willy will live on in our hearts into the ages.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2022 07:23 pm
@Agent Smith,
Agent Smith wrote:

How intriguing, isn't it, that Deus is the final authority on ethics?


But the Deity is not the final authority. We still have free will and the last word on any action, with the obligation to atone for bad results of our actions. We have responsibility as well as free will.

Well, some of us do, at any rate.
Agent Smith
 
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Reply Thu 17 Nov, 2022 01:31 am
@bobsal u1553115,
I agree with your points more or less - we seem to be on the same page mon ami. Deus is Deus in a pantheistic sense - the merger having been succesfully completed many, many billions and billions of years ago, oui?
htam9876
 
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Reply Thu 17 Nov, 2022 03:21 am
Nightmare again last night: “capital punishment”. Hard landing. The First Order PRESENCE…
The pig at last put into the coffin box, the coffin cover put onto the coffin box…
Absolute constraint…
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Agent Smith
 
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Reply Sat 19 Nov, 2022 07:51 am
I feel the so-called 4th dimension, a deeper understanding of it, is crucial to an answer to the OP's question.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 19 Nov, 2022 12:49 pm
@Agent Smith,
Agent Smith wrote:

I agree with your points more or less - we seem to be on the same page mon ami. Deus is Deus in a pantheistic sense - the merger having been succesfully completed many, many billions and billions of years ago, oui?


Non.
Agent Smith
 
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Reply Sat 19 Nov, 2022 07:51 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
So you're saying we have free will?

Proof?
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2022 07:59 am
Just by saying it: I have free will. I said it freely and willfully.
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