Omnipotence impossible?

Many of you believe in an omnipotent god of sorts, but I think omnipotence is impossible. There is a paradox that demonstrates why its impossible, 'can an omnipotent god make a rock so big he can't lift it".

If yes, then he definitely isn't omnipotent, because he can't lift the rock.
If no, then he isn't omnipotent, because he can't make a rock he can not lift.

Either way, there has to be something he can not do.

Some have replied to this with the following analogy:

It's like having 2 circles, and asking to draw one larger than the largest one, if you don't have the pencil to draw it with you can't draw it. that shouldn't be an issue for god, he can do anything. He can just make a bigger pencil if he has to.

Also, there is another point, which touches on the Problem of Evil. If he is omnipotent, why did he make all creation imperfect? Because he either isn't kind, loving, merciful or is evil, or is not capable of making perfect beings, and is again, not omnipotent.

I did this seperate from the "is god omnipotent" because I am just argueing whether or not Omnipotence is impossible btw

Many of you believe in an omnipotent god of sorts, but I think omnipotence is impossible. There is a paradox that demonstrates why its impossible, 'can an omnipotent god make a rock so big he can't lift it".

If yes, then he definitely isn't omnipotent, because he can't lift the rock.
If no, then he isn't omnipotent, because he can't make a rock he can not lift.

Either way, there has to be something he can not do.

Some have replied to this with the following analogy:

It's like having 2 circles, and asking to draw one larger than the largest one, if you don't have the pencil to draw it with you can't draw it. that shouldn't be an issue for god, he can do anything. He can just make a bigger pencil if he has to.

Also, there is another point, which touches on the Problem of Evil. If he is omnipotent, why did he make all creation imperfect? Because he either isn't kind, loving, merciful or is evil, or is not capable of making perfect beings, and is again, not omnipotent.

I did this seperate from the "is god omnipotent" because I am just argueing whether or not Omnipotence is impossible btw

If you formalize that argument then you will see that it is a modal fallacy. See this page for an explanation.

Many of you believe in an omnipotent god of sorts, but I think omnipotence is impossible. There is a paradox that demonstrates why its impossible, 'can an omnipotent god make a rock so big he can't lift it".

That omnipotent God is not separate from that rock, he is that rock. Likewise with all of the worlds creation. God separateness is something we've come up with in an effort to seek out this omnipotent God. We seek truth in something separate from us, separate from things, and separate from the world we live in. We seek to define god in the illusion of life which inherently is separate from life and separate from this God Deity we've so conveniently manufactured through the centuries.

I didnt understand that =) What the > and the <> there mean?

I didnt understand that =) What the > and the <> there mean?

I would like to second this sentiment while

The problem with answering the question, (is omnipotence possible?) is that it contains an undefined term. Never try to give a reasonable answer to unreasonable question.

Power is "Strength or force exerted or capable of being exerted; might." When the resistance to a force is reduced to 0, there is no longer any way to conceive of force as being of finite amount.

Logical omnipotence = the ability to do everything that is logically possible.

That wasn't so hard, was it?

If this was a joke, I didn't get it.

You need to learn formal logic if you want to properly judge arguments. Start out with propositional logic, then predicate, then modal propositional which is what is used in that link.

Omnipotence also involves will. An omnipotent God can simply choose not to make the rock, thereby exercising the ultimate power in omnipotence, Omnipotent doesn't mean that everything must be done by necessity. Also Omnipotence doesn't mean all possible, it means all powerful. Power can only be exercised within the possible thus an all powerful rock creator can only create and lift rocks within the realm of possible rock creation and rock lifting.

I pointed out that omnipotence is defined. There are at least two relatively known versions of it, unrestricted omnipotence "can do anything", and logical omnipotence "can do anything that is logically possible". Claiming that it is undefined is weak, dude.

As it is, I hold to the definition expressed in the word itself: all-powerful. It's also associated with the idea of unlimited power. At the point you want to stretch over to that way of looking at it, I can show you why the term can't be used in a practical way. Intuitively, we're left with what Justin previously posted: God is everything.

Omnipotence also involves will. An omnipotent God can simply choose not to make the rock, thereby exercising the ultimate power in omnipotence, Omnipotent doesn't mean that everything must be done by necessity. Also Omnipotence doesn't mean all possible, it means all powerful. Power can only be exercised within the possible thus an all powerful rock creator can only create and lift rocks within the realm of possible rock creation and rock lifting.

With enough power, you can break the limits of what's possible. Plus, you have to realize that you're talking about GOD hear. This man can supposedly do anything. And you think that he can't perform the impossible? I think that his argument is legit.

If god is immortal, can he kill himself?

Intuitively, we're left with what Justin previously posted: God is everything.

Then nothing's impossible.

If god is immortal, can he kill himself?

Then nothing's impossible.