1.the brain/mind/thought and consciousness are essentially information processing activities that take place in temporal space. (bold mine)
I'll take this portion of amer
's post, and pull out the first part of it to tie in the summary level of the background
I had been working towards.
The organ which we call the brain
occupies space, and is totally a matter of physical concern--within the realm of knowing
. Temporal concerns come into play, as can be seen in studies of multiplexed encoding
, phase of firing encoding
, and oscillation
patterns, but exactly work within the spatial distribution of pathways, loops, and maps. All sensory cognition is due to physcial opration of brain and is substantially understood on the practical level.
Conscious is the state, and most of that is at levels 'pre
' to that of consciousness--thus they are not reportable although they may be recognised by the third person (3P) as a cause for certain actions
. (Even the first person (1P) may come to realize that such 'preconscious
,' thus conscious below the threshold of consciousness
brain events had occurred, upon thinking about a certain action executed.) This much is very much the same across brain builds of other mammal species, and applies to non-mammals to a good extent as well; with largely only relative size to body, lobe size, and connectivity differences. Across H. Sapiens there is a great similarity, along with the individuality of each specific build, so predictions from well supported research and testing results will most largely hold in the far most number of cases.
With this much settled (as it is, in fact, settled to the satisfactory and practical degree), it might help to look a little at the grey area of that threshold--areas such as sleep, fringe consciousness, and by extension denial, and delusion
Alan McDougall;151552 wrote:
AHHH!!!!!!!! Who is the ghost in my machine me of course?, where do I live in that machine, in every atom of the composite machine we call our mortal bodies
This is incorrect, however, Alan
, in the non-poetical, practical sense. For example, in the first place (and since we are looking at 'brain, consciousness, and mind
' )the molecular structural components of copper, iron, zinc, potassium, sodium, phosphate, water and oxygen, and so on, that are at work in you at any given moment are exactly the same as those which are at work in me at any given moment. Thus those units themselves, as members of that class, do not 'hold' our sense of self.
Any particular atom there, is
of course, not here (on any practical level, as always)--just as the air you have just inhaled is not the very exact and same volume of air that I will inhale at the exact same moment
, so I'm talking about that sense. An atom of calcium is an atom of calcium, so it does not have a personal attachment, thus in that way any individual living entity we experience in our day-to-day lives (including 1P, 2P, and 3P) does not retain itself in whole, as that entity, within the atoms all stuck together at any particular moment of the entity's being (whether dead or alive, until decomposition).
' in you, Alan, operates within the confines of the brain within your skull.
That, me, Alan is something that no one can take from you.
This is incorrect, on the practical level, xris
, regarding brain, consciousness, and mind
. The sense of 1P identity can be taken away, and at times happens by failure of neuronal systems, maps, pathways, and or loops or, quite possibly, multiplexed encoding. In fact, it happens to most of us for nearly a third of our lives--(depending, of course, on lifespan).
It is true, however, in another sense, in which sense the entire accumulation of environment and experience, including and along with the brain build which allowed for that, within the more basic environmental field (and I include genetics within this), which equates 'Alan
' cannot be erased from external reality. There was a person who lived in the general geographical location of Europe some 35,000 years ago who not a single one of us living today knows, but that single individual's individual identity will always be a 'have been
' external reality. So no, no one 'took it away
' from him, but that individual has been totally forgotten (although the material is pretty much still around).