The Point In Human Life

@dpmartin,

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If life is given to the believer, then Life is righteous because all men women and children are capable of believing, no other qualification necessary, even to those that believe living is done in vain. And all have the present, or now, to believe.

If life is given to the believer then I would say life is not given. It just happens. Belief isn't the pre cursor for life, just existing or merely being precedes any form of thought. But it is your choice to believe what you want.

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@OmSigDAVID,

I don't know, do you want one?

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@Procrustes,

Procrustes wrote:

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If life is given to the believer, then Life is righteous because all men women and children are capable of believing, no other qualification necessary, even to those that believe living is done in vain. And all have the present, or now, to believe.

If life is given to the believer then I would say life is not given. It just happens. Belief isn't the pre cursor for life, just existing or merely being precedes any form of thought. But it is your choice to believe what you want.

thanks for the reply

You have a point there, but we might have different views of what life is, which could be a limitation of the English language, but don’t hold me to that.

Can one believe what is not revealed to him by word or deed or observation? And only what he knows is what he knows life is? How can he believe otherwise, unless it is revealed to him? Therefore does he really choose?

On the other hand there are many things heard and seen that can be believed, and how does one know the truth, unless the truth is revealed?

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@Procrustes,

Procrustes looks like a good existentialist: He informs us that "just existing or merely being precedes any form of thought." (remember the existentialist mantra: Existence Precedes Essense).
How can we deny that existence is a prerequisite for everything? But what is it, pure existence? Is this an answerable--or (not to sound like a logical positivist) meaningful-- question?

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@JLNobody,

JLNobody wrote:

Procrustes looks like a good existentialist: He informs us that "just existing or merely being precedes any form of thought." (remember the existentialist mantra: Existence Precedes Essense).
How can we deny that existence is a prerequisite for everything? But what is it, pure existence? Is this an answerable--or (not to sound like a logical positivist) meaningful-- question?

To be,

or not to be, Cool

that is the question. Wink

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@JLNobody,

JLNobody wrote:

O.K.. Who's there?

Me

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@dpmartin,

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You have a point there, but we might have different views of what life is, which could be a limitation of the English language, but don’t hold me to that.

Can one believe what is not revealed to him by word or deed or observation? And only what he knows is what he knows life is? How can he believe otherwise, unless it is revealed to him? Therefore does he really choose?

On the other hand there are many things heard and seen that can be believed, and how does one know the truth, unless the truth is revealed?

I've met people who believed they recieved the truth from voices unheard by anyone else. I don't think they chose to hear those voices. Whether or not we have a choice in believing something is better left debated in threads on free will. But for the sake of this thread, people can justify life any which way. Lets just remember the point that to justify life means a human must make a claim that life is 'whatever' and anything beyond this is superflous to the point of the original question.

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@JLNobody,

It depends what you mean by 'pure'. IMO, existence is existence. There is no slicing it up into peices to be analysed. It is the same with the word 'being'. In my mind, they are interchangeable.

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@Procrustes,

Procrustes wrote:

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You have a point there, but we might have different views of what life is, which could be a limitation of the English language, but don’t hold me to that.

Can one believe what is not revealed to him by word or deed or observation? And only what he knows is what he knows life is? How can he believe otherwise, unless it is revealed to him? Therefore does he really choose?

On the other hand there are many things heard and seen that can be believed, and how does one know the truth, unless the truth is revealed?

I've met people who believed they recieved the truth from voices unheard by anyone else. I don't think they chose to hear those voices. Whether or not we have a choice in believing something is better left debated in threads on free will. But for the sake of this thread, people can justify life any which way. Lets just remember the point that to justify life means a human must make a claim that life is 'whatever' and anything beyond this is superflous to the point of the original question.

All of the voices are in your head. Rolling Eyes

Nothing is spoken, Cool

that's not already been said. Wink

Did you get it? Laughing

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@Procrustes,

Procrustes wrote:

It depends what you mean by 'pure'. IMO, existence is existence. There is no slicing it up into peices to be analysed. It is the same with the word 'being'. In my mind, they are interchangeable.

Being,

in pieces, Wink

It's all in your head. Laughing

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@voiceindarkness,

I wasn't reffering to myself. But really, that's beside the point of this thread...

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@voiceindarkness,

I wouldn't say it is 'all' in my head.

Weren't you the guy with the photo of the weed leaf?

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You're way over thinking it. Cool

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@Procrustes,

Procrustes wrote:

I wasn't reffering to myself. But really, that's beside the point of this thread...

What is the point of this thread? Laughing

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@Procrustes,

Procrustes wrote:

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I wouldn't say it is 'all' in my head.
Then where is it?

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Weren't you the guy with the photo of the weed leaf?
Yup!

Helps me see through the smoke of the mind. Wink

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@Procrustes,

Procrustes wrote:

I've met people who believed they recieved the truth from voices unheard by anyone else. I don't think they chose to hear those voices. Whether or not we have a choice in believing something is better left debated in threads on free will. But for the sake of this thread, people can justify life any which way. Lets just remember the point that to justify life means a human must make a claim that life is 'whatever' and anything beyond this is superflous to the point of the original question.

thanks for the reply

It’s really a question of what, or whose will that is fulfilled in the flesh. And the reality of that, is a matter of power to fulfill, of which can bring contention with, or agreement with, that which has the power to fulfill in the flesh. That is the human condition, or the point in human life.

Therefore the will fulfilled is for him who has the power to fulfill his will. Why would one agree to that which is not the fulfillment of his will, since he has the power to fulfill it?

So whose will is fulfilled in the flesh, while one is still in the flesh? And surly that time is now. Not before one is in the flesh, not after one is in the flesh.

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@dpmartin,

The will of the flesh creates the pleasures of the flesh, Smile

for the will of the Spirit to enjoy. Very Happy

Matters of the heart. Cool

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@voiceindarkness,

We've taken their ****, Rolling Eyes

Now we will take their ****. Laughing

It's all some crazy ****. Cool

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@voiceindarkness,

Do you know the difference between a white man's fairy tail and a black man's fairy tail? Smile

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@voiceindarkness,

voiceindarkness wrote:

The will of the flesh creates the pleasures of the flesh, for the will of the Spirit to enjoy. Matters of the heart.

thanks for the reply

What spirit would that be, that you are referring to?

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