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The Point In Human Life

 
 
Procrustes
 
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Reply Sat 12 Nov, 2011 03:53 pm
@JLNobody,
Been thinking about what you wrote and got me thinking, with an assertion like that, there may only be a fraction of the worlds population that is 'fulfilled'.
voiceindarkness
 
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Reply Sat 12 Nov, 2011 06:13 pm
@fresco,
fresco wrote:

...and "the point" for the congenitally blind who have never experienced "light" would be what ?

The light I speak of, is light that is absent from this reality, The perception of the understanding of the grand purpose of reality. Who knows the purpose of the creation, but the creator of the purpose?
JLNobody
 
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Reply Sat 12 Nov, 2011 07:07 pm
@Procrustes,
Undoubtedly. I hope you are among them.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 12 Nov, 2011 07:33 pm
@voiceindarkness,
fresco wrote:
...and "the point" for the congenitally blind who have never experienced "light" would be what ?
voiceindarkness wrote:
The light I speak of, is light that is absent from this reality, The perception of the understanding of the grand purpose of reality.

Who knows the purpose of the creation, but the creator of the purpose?
Some of the people who have returned from death in hospitals (some dead for around an hour)
have said that thay saw and understood the whole idea,
but were not able to bring it back in specific memory.

Some of these folks were widely separated from one another
in both time and space, but said essentially the same thing.





David
fresco
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 03:17 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Any student of stylistics or semantics will be able to reel off a list of "metaphor studies" related to "the senses". Whether of not "near death experiences" have any relationship to that of others is partly a function of metaphorical leeway, and partly may be attributed the neurological effects of oxygen starvation.
No doubt, those who have such experiences need to come to terms with their survival, and religious connotations are on obvious source of psychological rationalization.

As to metaphorical speculation on specific words like "light", English speakers tend to forget the bible was not written in English, and their analysis is a function of their parochial conditioning rather than indicative of any mystical "Truth". (ref. Derrida). For an example of real "mind-bending" textual analysis of the original language of the bible they should look up Gematria
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 03:32 am
@fresco,
fresco wrote:
Any student of stylistics or semantics will be able to reel off a list of "metaphor studies" related to "the senses". Whether of not "near death experiences" have any relationship to that of others is partly a function of metaphorical leeway, and partly may be attributed the neurological effects of oxygen starvation.
No doubt, those who have such experiences need to come to terms with their survival, and religious connotations are on obvious source of psychological rationalization.

As to metaphorical speculation on specific words like "light", English speakers tend to forget the bible was not written in English, and their analysis is a function of their parochial conditioning rather than indicative of any mystical "Truth". (ref. Derrida). For an example of real "mind-bending" textual analysis of the original language of the bible they should look up Gematria
HOW does that relate to observations, during death, of remote defamations
resulting in disinheritances or observations of and comments upon
relatives who deemed smoking anathema, lighting up cigarettes
with a smoker, because of fear-based tensions concerning decedent,
who made those observations while in a state of death??????

I 've had several out-of-body experiences while awake on-the-job
in an ordinary state of health and no drugs. Therefore, I deem
getting out of one 's body after death of that body
not to be odd nor less than plausible.

Note that none of these particular experiences had anything to do with religion,
nor with seeing "light".





David
fresco
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 10:04 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
HOW does that relate to observations, during death, of remote defamations
resulting in disinheritances or observations of and comments upon
relatives who deemed smoking anathema, lighting up cigarettes
with a smoker, because of fear-based tensions concerning decedent,
who made those observations while in a state of death??????


.....Not a clue ! Smile

As for your "out of body experiences"...whether that has any connection with a concept of "survival of consciousness after death" is extremely speculative to say the least.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 06:25 pm
@fresco,

DAVID wrote:
HOW does that relate to observations, during death, of remote defamations
resulting in disinheritances or observations of and comments upon
relatives who deemed smoking anathema, lighting up cigarettes
with a smoker, because of fear-based tensions concerning decedent,
who made those observations while in a state of death??????


fresco wrote:
.....Not a clue ! Smile

As for your "out of body experiences"...whether that has any connection with a concept of "survival of consciousness after death" is extremely speculative to say the least.
Its just a matter of whether a man gets out of his human body on a temporary basis,
or on a permanent basis.





David
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voiceindarkness
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 11:54 pm
Try to dazzel with big words? You don't even know what you're talking about, how do you expect anybody else to? Laughing
Why should I, or anybody give a **** what you think? Rolling Eyes
Your just pulling ignorance out of you ass like everybody else.
fresco
 
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Reply Mon 14 Nov, 2011 01:12 am
@voiceindarkness,
If that were addressed to me, I would point out that your use of "dazzel" (sic) following your fixation with "light" indicates a limited range of thought. Smile
Procrustes
 
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Reply Mon 14 Nov, 2011 03:55 am
@JLNobody,
I hope so. Although my hope is blind, I can still hear...
voiceindarkness
 
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Reply Mon 14 Nov, 2011 05:46 am
@fresco,
fresco wrote:

If that were addressed to me, I would point out that your use of "dazzel" (sic) following your fixation with "light" indicates a limited range of thought. Smile
I have been following my fixation with light since 1977. I don't understand your fixation with darkness. Drunk
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voiceindarkness
 
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Reply Mon 14 Nov, 2011 06:10 am
@Procrustes,
Procrustes wrote:

I hope so. Although my hope is blind, I can still hear...
Can you hear what I see? What do you hope for? Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Faith is the substance of your future. When the Son of man returns to the earth, will he find faith in the earth?
Well, I'm here, and I haven't found any faith yet! Just faith in themselves, and there faith is not just. Comparing themselves, by themselves, they are not wise. Ever learning, but never cumming to the knowledge of the truth.
Yea, I said cumming. you have to know the truth (in the biblical sense)to be set free from the lie.
You have to love the truth, then know the truth, before you can cum to the truth, and be free. Shocked
Procrustes
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2011 04:17 am
@voiceindarkness,
Quote:
Can you hear what I see?

No, but Kandinsky made paintings you can 'hear'.

Quote:
What do you hope for?

I hope for a greater good. (as cliche as that might sound)

Quote:
you have to know the truth (in the biblical sense)to be set free from the lie. You have to love the truth, then know the truth, before you can cum to the truth, and be free.

The truth... What do you define truth as? Clearly, you have some ideas...
voiceindarkness
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2011 10:44 pm
@Procrustes,
Procrustes wrote:

Quote:
Can you hear what I see?

No, but Kandinsky made paintings you can 'hear'.
I try to paint a picture with my words, so you can see what I'm seeing. If you can't hear what I see, you cant see what I say.
Visualize Idea
Quote:
What do you hope for?

I hope for a greater good. (as cliche as that might sound)

Quote:
you have to know the truth (in the biblical sense)to be set free from the lie. You have to love the truth, then know the truth, before you can cum to the truth, and be free.

The truth... What do you define truth as? Clearly, you have some ideas...
It'll come to you Wink
Procrustes
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2011 12:33 am
@voiceindarkness,
Okay... You don't want to share your definition of the truth, that's fine.
voiceindarkness
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2011 12:43 am
@Procrustes,
Procrustes wrote:

Okay... You don't want to share your definition of the truth, that's fine.
Truth is self defined. Truth just is, just like God and love. Smile
Procrustes
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2011 01:00 am
@voiceindarkness,
Relatively speaking, I agree with the first part of what you said. But I also think the word 'truth' depends on the context in which you use the word. Seeing a 'truth' that is 'self defined', also means that one 'sort' of 'truth' may not be 'truth' for all ie. the world is round, not flat. Of course, perceptions may be subjected to change.
voiceindarkness
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2011 02:24 am
@Procrustes,
John 8
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Psalms
41 Yet setteth he the poor on high from affliction, and maketh him families like a flock.
42 The righteous shall see it, and rejoice: and all iniquity shall stop her mouth.
43 Whoso is wise, and will observe these things, even they shall understand the lovingkindness of the LORD.
Daniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

I,m talking about the truth, about God and reality. Very Happy
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voiceindarkness
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2011 02:32 am

Daniel Chapter 12
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
 

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