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War against food choices moving into high gear

 
 
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 04:56 pm
This is just plain silly hawkeye. Your objection is noted, but obtuse (heh hee). I'm with you that banning these foods is too much, but if they are addictive, and the science is there that can support this claim, the people have the right to know. Addiction robs people of choice, so if you're really for people having a choice on what they eat, then they should be able to make their dietary choices knowing the possible side-effects.

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 05:09 pm
@Diest TKO,
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people have the right to know


yes, this is why we have food labeling laws, which are very reasonable. The thing is we don't need nor should we have to acknowledge each time we purchase products that we are aware of what the numbers are for what we are buying. Having the information available for those who want it is reasonable, once we go beyond that, as we now have, we have become unreasonable.

You are a smart guy, why such an obvious red herring from you? Aren't you embarrassed?
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 05:16 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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people have the right to know


yes, this is why we have food labeling laws, which are very reasonable. The thing is we don't need nor should we have to acknowledge each time we purchase products that we are aware of what the numbers are for what we are buying. Having the information available for those who want it is reasonable, once we go beyond that, as we now have, we have become unreasonable.

You are a smart guy, why such an obvious red herring from you? Aren't you embarrassed?

What is red herring about this?

In this case, I'm with you. I don't think that we should ban foods. I believe people are capable of making the choice for themselves. However, part of making that choice is knowing the potential effects.

I have spent years educating people about cigarettes and tobacco both in paid positions, and privately/personally. I have never once advocated for prohibition of them.

The same applies here.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 05:23 pm
@Diest TKO,
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I don't think that we should ban foods. I believe people are capable of making the choice for themselves. However, part of making that choice is knowing the potential effects.


requiring me to demonstrate informed consent each time I purchase a food item that the GODS have decided I should not eat is an onerous invasion of my personhood. This is the kind of complete bullshit that gives me the feeling that the libertarians are right, that it is time to take a hatchet to government.

As a socialist, this makes me sad.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 01:42 pm
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Only today is the federal government demonstrating a willingness to risk the nanny state accusations. In addition to Michelle Obama's obesity initiative, Congress has charged an interagency task force, encompassing the FDA, FTC, USDA and CDC, with the task of developing industry-wide guidelines on child marketing. "The guidelines won't have the force of law, but should have a lot of moral force," says Michael Jacobson of the Center for Science in the Public Interest. "And noncompliance would give the FTC or Congress the foundation for doing something stronger, from publicly shaming noncompliers to legislation." Proposals for these guidelines, which are due in final form in July, are scheduled to be released soon.

Still, as long as these industry standards are voluntary, they may well prove illusory; there are simply too many consumers -- and too much money -- involved. One solution, then, is for the FTC to educate, not regulate. "No one is suggesting that we engage in regulation," says David Vladeck, head of the FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection, about his agency's educational efforts. "Industry may be unhappy with some of what we're doing, but they have steered clear of the nanny rhetoric because they know that if the hammer comes down, Congress, not the FTC, will be holding it."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/06/AR2010040601010.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

criminalizing behavior using child safety as the reason, gee, where have we seen that before?

Keep it up, this will end with the dismantling of our overly intrusive government.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 06:13 pm
@hawkeye10,
Wrong adverb
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sat 10 Apr, 2010 08:16 am
Don't people "in the know" have an obligation to inform others?

Consider Jamie Oliver:

http://www.care2.com/greenliving/putting-the-revolt-back-in-revolution-a-look-at-jamie-olivers-food-revolution.html
roger
 
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Reply Sat 10 Apr, 2010 11:04 am
@hawkeye10,
CDC! Maybe they should just read their initials and contemplate the meanining. A seatbelt is not a disease, for example.

Nevermind. I see from your quote that "Congress has charged na interagency task force. . . ."
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 10 Apr, 2010 11:07 am
@plainoldme,
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Don't people "in the know" have an obligation to inform others?
I would not say "obligation". I think that everyone should be able to speak, should be able to try to convince others of something through persuasion, and that everyone else should listen or not listen as they see fit.

We have gone beyond that. We have the government aggressively regulating the food seller/buyer experience, we have a society that has been convinced to be afraid of food, and we have a society that poorly understands good eating. This move, and all the come after,will not help. We Americans are obsessed with cluttering our daily experience with "information" in the form of labeling and signage. I saw a report that says for instance that we have three times the words on highway sign as Europeans have, and all this wordiness is exhausting and annoying. We are obsessed with informed consent, we took what was a good idea and made it into a thing that hurts us. Signs are useful if they point out things that we need or want to know, when they are used to identify things that are not important or that we dont want to know they become clutter, and the good information is lost in the swamp of all the bad.

Every yokel who comes down the pike thinks that the information that they want presented warrants being put on a sign. But really, why do we give a rats ass what they want? Ask the people what they want, what they think is valuable.

When did we ever ask the people if we think putting nutrition information on every menu sign is a good idea? I was not asked.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sat 10 Apr, 2010 12:10 pm
Human life is redundant. Most people are nothing more then marketing subjects for consumtion. Let these people stuff themselves with all the factory farm meat, antibiotics, growth hormones, chemicals, perservatives, etc,etc they can fit in there freedom pie hole.

You could take a piece of dog ****, dip it in batter, deep fry it pour some high fructose corn syrup on it, put it in a shinny colored wrapper and thell line up around the block for it.


And then when they get all these diseases and ailments well sell them drugs marked up 400% that causes more desease then the cure till there flat broke. Then well charge there family a **** load of cash to dispose of them.

It's like genocide at a profit and the victims come to you in droves. Give these fucken people what they want.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 10 Apr, 2010 12:33 pm
@Amigo,
that is an amazing rant from one who self describes as a socialist...how do you square your politics with your lack of faith in people?
Amigo
 
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Reply Sat 10 Apr, 2010 01:26 pm
@hawkeye10,
I don't square them but if they'd like they can suare themselves it doesn't matter to me.

The point is that I would like conservative republicans to consume as much of this stuff as they can. I fully support there cause to the freedom to this type of food and I also say the government should not regulate it at all and let the freemarket work.

Make sure your kids get raised on a big helping of freedom bacon. Just don't tell them about the cocktail of Recombinant Bovine Growth Hormone and antibiotics that increase chances of colon, breast, and prostate cancers, Causes girls to prematurly menstrate and develop and weakens their immune system because of the masive daily dose of antibiotics in all the meat and dairy.

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2010 10:29 pm
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By Lyndsey Layton
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, April 20, 2010

The Food and Drug Administration is planning an unprecedented effort to gradually reduce the salt consumed each day by Americans, saying that less sodium in everything from soup to nuts would prevent thousands of deaths from hypertension and heart disease. The initiative, to be launched this year, would eventually lead to the first legal limits on the amount of salt allowed in food products.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/19/AR2010041905049.html?hpid=topnews

I swear, everyday I become more convinced that it is time to take a hatchet to government. Government has way overstepped its authority.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 03:34 pm
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(CNN) -- A California county on Tuesday became the first in the nation to ban toys from fast food kids' meals high in calories, fat, salt and sugar.

Santa Clara County supervisors voted 3-2 to ban the plastic goodies as promotions in meals with more than 485 calories.

County supervisor Ken Yeager said Tuesday that the ordinance "prevents restaurants from preying on children's love of toys to peddle high-calorie, high-fat, high-sodium kids' meals," and would help fight childhood obesity.

"This ordinance breaks the link between unhealthy food and prizes," Yeager said. "Under this ordinance, restaurants are still permitted to give out toys. This ordinance merely imposes very specific, common-sense nutrition standards for children's meals that are linked to these incentives."

The ordinance will ban restaurants from giving away toys with meals that have more than 485 calories, more than 600 milligrams of sodium, more than 35 percent of total calories from fat or more than 10 percent of calories from added sugar. It would also limit toy giveaways on single food items with more than 200 calories or more than 480 milligrams of sodium.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/04/28/fast.food.toys.california/index.html?hpt=C1

Government loves to micro manage our lives. Time to shrink government.
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