@failures art,
Quote:I'm saying that some people may adhere to religion because they feel that abandoning it would mean social rejection.
I see no reason to believe that is true.
I don't need your snide, childish remarks on my personality, creep. I care about the people to whom i am close socially or emotionally. I try always to be considerate of them, and display personal loyalty. And yes, i don't give a rat's ass what you or any other member of the amorphous, faceless public around me think of me.
I would have no objection to the claim that as a general rule, politicians have no real convictions. There are politicians who have been great leaders, and they may well have been motivated by conviction--which is not at all the same as saying that would have or could have boldly espoused those convictions to the public, and have been successful politically.
As usual, you miss the point of my remarks, probably because you are incapable of maintaining a coherent train of thought in your head. I have said that i believe that atheists are atheists because of conviciton. I have implied and you surprisingly even understood that i describe politicians as people who are not much motivated, or not motivated at all by conviction. Then i suggest that atheists are likely not to be politicians. Whether you can see or not, that is a coherent progression of thoughts. Even then, i was careful to point out that i would no more vote for someone who were an atheist and had that as the centerpiece of their political aspirations than i would someone who were religiously motivated to take up politics.
I take issue with your claim that people get elected regularly based on their religious convictions. I'm calling bullshit until you can come up with some proof that there is a significant number of people who get elected precisely because they state that they have a religious agenda and intend to implement it if elected. I've already pointed out the movement among the religiously convinced to gain public office by hiding their religious conviction--those called stealth candidates. It blew up in their faces big time, though, in Dover.
Posting images of the notorious from television doesn't make your argument at all. You keep talking about harm. What harm to you allege is done to anyone by what you allege to be negative media images of atheists? What's the matter, don't you get invited to parties as often as you'd like?