edgarblythe
 
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Sat 2 Apr, 2022 09:05 am
https://scontent.fhou1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/277469890_3135030866824788_6366076741479330298_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=F8R3zn_oYuAAX8LDyNT&_nc_ht=scontent.fhou1-2.fna&oh=00_AT_X7kHUM9DdN0vjmwDY42iG0e9x2NvGQrVtmp1aoHCjDQ&oe=624CA6B5
bulmabriefs144
 
  -2  
Mon 4 Apr, 2022 07:04 am
@edgarblythe,
No, but it certainly does the social and professional equ to scientists who don't go lockstep with the dogma. Being shunned and out of work is good way to die in obscurity.

Heard of any scientists that don't believe in dinosaurs? Or question climate change? No, because like Will Smith after slapping some guy (to which they say "poor asshole who provoked him") getting encouraged to leave the Academy, they are basically to disappear after saying that. Degrees and funding are basically stripped.
hightor
 
  4  
Mon 4 Apr, 2022 08:16 am
@bulmabriefs144,
Quote:
Being shunned and out of work is good way to die in obscurity.

True, publishing crackpot theories and not following a scientific methodology is a good way to lose your job, but you don't have to die in obscurity – you can become a internet sensation and get interviewed by Tucker Carlson or Joe Rogan!

Quote:
Degrees and funding are basically stripped.

As they should be.
hingehead
 
  4  
Mon 4 Apr, 2022 05:04 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
Also science history is littered with 'against the orthodoxy' scientific theories that were rejected by the majority but are eventually accepted BECAUSE THEY ARE REPRODUCIBLE AND TESTABLE.

E.g. Barry Marshall's work on Helicobacter pylori
bulmabriefs144
 
  -2  
Tue 5 Apr, 2022 07:26 am
@hightor,
What for? In a sensible world, you simply reject those papers and move on.

That someone is discredited, stripped of all they have worked for is more akin to the treatment of Benedict Arnold at Saratoga (his name is not on there despite playing a key role, because of his later betrayal of Washington) or Judas's betrayal of Jesus meaning every time he was mentioned in the Bible they act like nothing he does is right. Did he really steal from the trasury? Probably not.

Doing something like this, is enforcing dogma. Now, if the majority of what a scientist works on is tripe, then we also have the matter of them in general being a crackpot scientist. Case in point, Wilhelm Reich, who believed sexual energy called orgones pervaded the universe (and that the sky was blue because of all the people having sex). One or two papers where they don't go along with the dogma, or hell, they don't even write any scientific papers, they keep to themselves until one day where they are at a party and everyone is talking about round Earthedness, and they are forced to admit they don't buy the theory.

No, that is not right to strip someone of their job for a comment they make while drunk at a party. If I as a scientist publish findings that assert all dinosaurs are shamwork, and I show multiple proofs of very lame evidence for dinosaurs, that deserves peer review and to be accepted or rejected.

But to then be discredited by the entire community means that nobody is willing to do real science, because they know it might happen to them. That isn't science. That's everything you think is bad about religion, applied to science. That's orthodoxy, something that should exist in the study of knowledge of the world.
bulmabriefs144
 
  -2  
Tue 5 Apr, 2022 07:28 am
@hingehead,
Yes, I know about many cases where orthodoxy was questioned and the science changed.

It's when orthodoxy prevails and becomes ENTRENCHED that we get something other than science.

As you say, science is supposed to test theories.
InfraBlue
 
  4  
Tue 5 Apr, 2022 01:33 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
So, which theories aren't being tested through science?
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bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Tue 5 Apr, 2022 02:09 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
Isn't that a hooooot! Wilelm Riech is so much more than Orgone. Yet you condemn him with all his education and a vast work that 99% of which has not a thing to do with Orgone. Yet you think the Orange Shitgibbon's science is total wonderful.

For an education to back or correct your knowledge so to perform an informed opinion, try looking up Reich and how the Fed went after him.

Stay away from the sites that release salacious and unsubstantiated details.

Start here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Reich

https://wilhelmreichmuseum.org/

izzythepush
 
  3  
Tue 5 Apr, 2022 02:23 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
I've got his book, complete published works.

I've got an organisation accumulator
And it makes me feel greater
I'll tell you sometime later
What I do with my accumulator.
It's no social integrator
It's a one man isolator
Backbrain stimulator,
Cerebral vibrator,
Of orgones, It's made out of orgones.
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Tue 5 Apr, 2022 02:38 pm
@izzythepush,
I think highly of Reich. I have friends who used accumulators and orgone generators who received benefits from it.

I think the FDA hounded him to death.

The bulk of his work is still valuable, relevant and still used in studies.
bulmabriefs144
 
  -2  
Tue 5 Apr, 2022 02:39 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
I don't condemn him.

Orgones are freaking awesome. I like awesum science, not that lame non-awesum science that believes in a round Earth and dinosaurs that don't poof if you poke at them hard.

I read up some on the guy, and how his therapy was actually kinda effective (maybe placebo effect, maybe just the effect of alot of ppl needing loving). But he was condemned in both communist countries and "tolerant" US. His stuff was weird yea, but he's a basically a most extreme case scientist.

That is, if Reich was the most out there guy, if you aren't inclined to depose him as a scientist, you should do it to anyone.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Wilhelm_Reich_in_1900.jpg/220px-Wilhelm_Reich_in_1900.jpg

Also, how could the FBI hound someone who looks so cute?

Keep in mind that I personally know Nathan Larson the politician. If I'm okay with that weirdo/child molester, I'm not gonna condemn Wilhelm Reich. And if I'm not gonna condemn Wilhelm Reich, I will definitely not say "As it should be" to people with milder weird theories being stripped of funding.

Oh wow, it turns out they arrested him cuz a guy running a bookstore who was distributing communist stuff was also named Wilhelm Reich.
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Tue 5 Apr, 2022 02:45 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
bulmabriefs144 wrote:

I don't condemn him.

Orgones are freaking awesome. I like awesum science, not that lame non-awesum science that believes in a round Earth and dinosaurs that don't poof if you poke at them hard.

I read up some on the guy, and how his therapy was actually kinda effective (maybe placebo effect, maybe just the effect of alot of ppl needing loving). But he was condemned in both communist countries and "tolerant" US. His stuff was weird yea, but he's a basically a most extreme case scientist.

That is, if Reich was the most out there guy, if you aren't inclined to depose him as a scientist, you should do it to anyone.

Keep in mind that I personally know Nathan Larson the politician. If I'm okay with that weirdo/child molester, I'm not gonna condemn Wilhelm Reich. And if I'm not gonna condemn Wilhelm Reich, I will definitely not say "As it should be" to people with milder weird theories being stripped of funding.



I have no problem whatsoever despising child molesters.

You're "OK" with this guy???

Nathan Daniel Larson (born September 19, 1980)[1] is an American white supremacist.[2][3][4] He has advocated for curtailing women's rights and decriminalizing child sexual abuse and incest. A self-described "quasi-neoreactionary libertarian", Larson was expelled from the Libertarian Party of Virginia in 2017.

Larson served 14 months in prison for the felony of threatening the president of the United States in 2008. In 2020, Larson was arrested at Denver International Airport for allegedly kidnapping a 12-year-old girl.[5][6][7] During a search of his home, detectives found evidence suggesting that he operated a website encouraging pedophilia and child rape.[8][9]
Contents
izzythepush
 
  3  
Tue 5 Apr, 2022 03:01 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
He deserves better than being name dropped by dilettante idiots trying to ratchet up their pseudo green eggs 'n ham smarts.
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izzythepush
 
  3  
Tue 5 Apr, 2022 03:04 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
What a foul individual, it's telling that someone would boast of their association with such a creature.

Most would have the good sense to deny it.
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izzythepush
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2022 03:21 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
When I was at college the flat earthers were a harmless bunch. The flat Earth society never expected to be taken seriously, it's skill lay in rhetoric and persuasion, latching on to the public zeitgeist with current referencing terminology and buzzwords.

It's comforting to think of those of the fringe of beliefs as being quite an eccentric bunch, a bit odd, but quite charming in their own way and essentially harmless.

Not any more, the flat earthers are a nasty bunch, attacking and confronting people for not sharing their nutzoid beliefs, demanding they read this or that. Quite often their behaviour verges on the criminal.

When you look at all these stupid conspiracy theories they are far from eccentric and benign, but deeply antisemitic at root, the dark hand of the conspiring, world controlling jew lies at the heart of them.

Mentioning a heroic, out on a limb, fringe person like Reich is a vain attempt to give a veneer of mystique to their dull persona and repulsive beliefs.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Tue 5 Apr, 2022 03:32 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Now I'm going to sound like a right name dropping walker, but I bought my (second hand ) copy of Reich's works at a bookshop in Glastonbury. The Glastonbury in Somerset associated with Arthur, Merlin, Joseph of Arimathea, and Jesus, ( William Blake's Jerusalem is all about it.)

And another thing I think Jerusalem should be the anthem played at England football matches. God Save The Queen is the UK national anthem, and S outland play Bluebells of Scotland which is all about Robert the Bruce being inspired to commit violence against us. At least Jerusalem is about Jesus.
bulmabriefs144
 
  -1  
Tue 5 Apr, 2022 03:42 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
No problem with the guy, because I grew up with him. Also, you missed the best parts.

Quote:
In 2009, Larson pleaded guilty to sending a letter in December 2008 to the United States Secret Service threatening to kill the president George W. Bush and was sentenced to 16 months' imprisonment and three years' supervised release; he served 14 months. In March 2017, he described the letter as "an act of civil disobedience".

In August 2010, Larson wrote to the federal prosecutor describing the mental health treatment he had received after his conviction as "a complete waste of taxpayer money" since he did not have a mental illness and announced that he would violate the terms of his release from prison: "If you happen to hear the distinctive sound of gunfire of a Solothurn S-18/100 20 mm Anti-Tank Cannon emanating from my backyard, as cardboard cutouts of statist federal politicians, federal judges, federal prosecutors, and federal agents become riddled with large, ragged bullet holes, please know, that there is nothing amiss; it is just me engaging in target practice".

Larson admitted to raping his ex-spouse, who was transgender and committed suicide after the birth of their daughter. In November 2015, a jury in Colorado denied him custody of the girl, and he announced the following month that he would seek legal termination of his parental rights. He has remarried.

On December 14, 2020, Larson was arrested in Denver, Colorado, on felony charges of kidnapping, child abduction, soliciting child pornography from a minor, and meeting a child for the intention of sex, along with a misdemeanor charge of harboring a minor. The charges were in relation to an alleged plot to kidnap a 12-year-old girl from California. He had met the victim in October 2020 and convinced her to send him inappropriate images of herself, and eventually to leave her home to fly back with him to Virginia. Authorities intercepted Larson and the girl while they were in Denver for a layover. During a search of Larson's Virginia home, detectives found evidence suggesting that he operated a website encouraging, and facilitating sharing media of, pedophilia and child rape. A criminal complaint was filed against Larson on December 23, 2020, and he was indicted on multiple federal charges; he faces a maximum penalty of life in prison if convicted.

At his arraignment on February 25, 2021, Larson pleaded not guilty to the charges and requested to represent himself under Faretta v. California... He was initially represented by attorney Peter M. Jones; in March 2022, judge Jennifer L. Thurston granted him pro se status and allowed him to represent himself.


They also invited me to do their wedding. I wasn't ordained, and it was a strange pagan circle thing. He's weird. He's always been weird. He's a huge troll, and yet the most honest politician I have ever met. The only politician to have absolutely no skeletons because everything about him was completely out in the open.

Compare that to left or right politicians and scandals suddenly coming out about messing around with twelve bimbos or whatever?

Nuh, the guy says he wants to run under the platform of decriminalizing child sex abuse and incest? I totally believe him.

Did I vote for him? No, he wasn't in my county. Would I have voted for him? Still no. But he was an honest politician, and I respect that, even if I think alot of other things about him were sketchy as hell.

Btw, his sister was an extra in Vacation (2015). She shows up in like a gogo dancer outfit on the left side of the screen right about when they are about to get on the plane near the end (and I think another scene). She is probably not credited. She also did vegetable juicing business. I think she calls herself Aliyah Skye Foxe or something. The whole family is weird as hell. But no, I don't have a problem with them.

The thing is, I respect honesty alot more than I respect "having the good sense to deny it." Why? Why are you so hellbent on being normal that you'd throw other people under the bus and deny you'd met them if they were a bit weird? Now Nathan is more than a bit weird, but I've known him since he creeped my older sister out. I've known him since he took some antidepressant and it screwed with his head and he chased his mom around (note: don't give antidepressants to people who are not depressed). I used to play Stratego with him. He's a weird creepy dude, but not really a bad guy.
bulmabriefs144
 
  -2  
Tue 5 Apr, 2022 03:50 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Not any more, the flat earthers are a nasty bunch, attacking and confronting people for not sharing their nutzoid beliefs, demanding they read this or that. Quite often their behaviour verges on the criminal.


You should read this, it will totally change your thinking.

https://theconspiracyblog.com/conspiracies/environment/extinction-of-species/585-dinosaur-hoax-dinosaurs-never-existed
Glennn
 
  -2  
Tue 5 Apr, 2022 03:54 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
Okay, if you're saying that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old, what about stalagmites? Some are pretty old.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Tue 5 Apr, 2022 03:57 pm
@izzythepush,
I love Glastonbury, I read a lot about it, including in the "The View Over Atlantis" about the Ley lines in England.

Another town I love is Canterbury, home of my 2nd favorite English band, Caravan.

And it's hard to believe that the Moody Blues are from Birmingham.

The Animals are another favorite band, to drop a name myself, I've interviewed Eric Burden twice. Big whoop. Interviewed Roy Buchanan for an hour with only a half hour tape. A year or so later he died. Just one very nice person who was a pleasure to talk with.

I love 'Jerusalem', especially ELP's version.
 

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