Atheism

@livinglava,

Prove "Santa is a metaphorical descriptor for the Christmas spirt"

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@hingehead,

You got a lot of patience hinge.

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@chai2,

Only selectively. And it's wearing.

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@hingehead,

hingehead wrote:

Prove "Santa is a metaphorical descriptor for the Christmas spirt"

You have to understand 'spirit' as a form of culture, i.e. circulating patterns of subjective form.

Forget about the metaphysical and supernatural for a moment and just understand 'spirits' as patterns of behavior, thought, feelings, etc.

Then you should be able to understand what "Christmas spirit' is, how it comes over people and motivates them to visit each other, exchange gifts, sing carols, watch Christmas movies, etc. etc.

Literally, 'spirit' is anything that shapes subjectivity. 'Christmas spirit' and 'school spirit' are just two very common examples. You could say there is a spirit of war, for example, or a spirit of sincerity, sarcasm, hard work, hedonism, laziness, brotherly love, charity, discipline, etc. etc.

Just look at all the patterns (social) subjectivity can take and consider the complex networks of events that happen to cause those patterns to take form in various ways, and reproduce themselves through memories, habits, traditions, rituals, etc.

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@livinglava,

You're just making this up as you go along, aren't you?

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“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
― Epicurus

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Cause we are here, and it takes something I haven’t got to believe it was accidental.

I’m sure there are suggestions as to what I’m missing.

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@Leadfoot,

Go home and pray about it in your closet.

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@livinglava,

Pro Tip
"You have to understand"

Is not how you start a proof - or even a convincing argument.

Redefining terms for your own purposes isn't a great look either. Then I stopped reading. Again.

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@hingehead,

There's been a couple other people on here as late that like to just state something as fact, hoping for gullibilty on the readers part.

They are banking that no one takes even half a second to ask themselves "Is that actually true"?

As an aside, I've been told I "have to understand" all my life. I think it's their turn.

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@edgarblythe,

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@hingehead,

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Prove "Santa is..."

in the place most of my Christmases were endured, Santa might well have been Satan, judging from how unholy the place would turn.

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@chai2,

Ooh! I loved that movie!

(okay, I like most films with Sissy Spacek)

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@hingehead,

hingehead wrote:

Pro Tip
"You have to understand"

Is not how you start a proof - or even a convincing argument.

Redefining terms for your own purposes isn't a great look either. Then I stopped reading. Again.

I once knew a guy who would invite Jehovah's Witnesses inside to pitch their views only so he could shoot them down. He wouldn't actually listen to what they had to say or try to understand because he simply wanted to say, "no" to them and leave them feeling defeated.

I'm starting to see that you are the same. You don't want to have a real thought-provoking discussion, because you just want to dismiss the POV that isn't already the one that you hold.

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@Sturgis,

Sturgis wrote:

Ooh! I loved that movie!

(okay, I like most films with Sissy Spacek)

The year....1974.

My family and I were driving to some family function a couple hours away.
So I went to the drug store the day before to pick up a paperback to read.

I was immediately immersed in this story of a strange girl with unworldly powers. I remember us arriving at my Aunts house and not wanting to get out of the car. I'm sure I was mostly finished with it in that short time.

It was the first book by some author I'm sure you've never heard of. Very Happy

Re Sissy Spacek, I can't say if this was my favorite movie of hers, but I really liked 'Night Mother, partly because she played in it with another favorite of mine, Anne Bancroft.

Anne was one class act.

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Yeah, Hinge . . . you obviously aren't intellectually honest enough to maintain a conversation with someone who starts with an undemonstrated premise and provides no evidence for the premise in the course of her disquisition . . . and uh . . . then, uh . . . well, never mind.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

. . . and uh . . . then, uh . . .

This is the part I agree with.

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@livinglava,

HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

https://media.makeameme.org/created/back-at-you-5c4ce3.jpg

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@livinglava,

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I once knew a guy who would invite Jehovah's Witnesses inside to pitch their views only so he could shoot them down. He wouldn't actually listen to what they had to say or try to understand because he simply wanted to say, "no" to them and leave them feeling defeated.

When I was much younger they, JW's, came to my door early one morning. I invited them in, sat down with them and started rolling a joint. Then I got up and got a beer. They left.

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Thought this interesting, and this thread is as good as any.

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The logo for Jägermeister alcohol is not religiously offensive, a Swiss court has ruled.

The Swiss Federal Institute of Intellectual Property had blocked efforts by the German spirit brand to expand its trademark to cosmetics and entertainment services.

It argued that the logo - a stag and a cross - could offend the country's Christians.

But Swiss federal judges ruled in favour of Jägermeister.

The Federal Administrative Court ruled that the "intensive" use of the logo had "weakened its religious character" over time, making the chance of genuine offence unlikely, Swissinfo reported.

The logo refers to the legend of St Hubertus, the 'Apostle of the Ardennes', who is said to have converted to Christianity one Good Friday in the 8th century after witnessing a stag with a crucifix between its antlers.

Jägermeister can now use its logo on a wide-range of products in Switzerland including cosmetics, mobile phones, or telecommunications services.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51567705

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