Leadfoot
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jan, 2019 10:14 am
@hingehead,
There is no mystery or surprise in the scripture of Isaiah. As soon as good is introduced into an empty universe, its opposite cannot help but exist. North cannot be created without creating South. He had no choice in that matter.

Those who try the 'omnipotent' gambit to argue otherwise are playing word games, not seeking reality.
coluber2001
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jan, 2019 10:25 am
@Olivier5,
I think it was Ananda Coomaraswamy who said, "India has too much religion and China not enough".
coluber2001
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jan, 2019 10:31 am
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:

There is no mystery or surprise in the scripture of Isaiah. As soon as good is introduced into an empty universe, its opposite cannot help but exist. North cannot be created without creating South. He had no choice in that matter.


Good point! The resolution of opposites is where spirituality lies.
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jan, 2019 10:34 am
@coluber2001,
China doesn't think so. They think Christianity is one too many and they are currently dismantling their groups as fast as possible.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliviaenos/2018/03/28/growing-religious-persecution-in-china-a-symptom-of-xis-consolidation-of-power/#3b3aa5ad3b8c
coluber2001
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jan, 2019 10:46 am
@Leadfoot,
I think Coomaraswamy was talking about the traditional Confuciusism and Taoism, and maybe Zen.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2019 08:26 pm
Something related to LittleK's original pondering

Christianity's faith-based freakout: Why atheism makes believers so uncomfortable
Rather than respecting the right of atheists to disbelieve, christians are constantly forcing them to fake it

https://www.salon.com/2014/04/28/christianitys_faith_based_freakouts_why_atheism_makes_believers_lose_their_minds_partner/
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2019 11:56 pm
Oh sure . . . post something relevant and on topic. Sheesh.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2019 12:03 am
By the way, in my own particular case, I went through the confirmation charade as a part of a deal in which I would never attend church again. There was one half-hearted attempt afterward to get me to go to mass, but it was doomed, and they knew it.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2019 04:32 pm
@Setanta,
I don't know what I was thinking.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2019 05:17 pm
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:
Those who try the 'omnipotent' gambit to argue otherwise are playing word games, not seeking reality.

Yeah, your rationalized fantasies, "reality," right.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2019 06:06 am
@InfraBlue,
Quote:
Leadfoot wrote:
Those who try the 'omnipotent' gambit to argue otherwise are playing word games, not seeking reality.

IB said:
Yeah, your rationalized fantasies, "reality," right.

You sound uncomfortable Blue.
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coluber2001
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2019 07:28 am
I went to a Southern Baptist Church one Sunday while in high school. One day in a Baptist Church is sufficient. It wasn't very interesting, and I didn't sense anything sacred there, so I had to look elsewhere.
chai2
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2019 08:55 am
@coluber2001,
I’ve been forced to be around enough Baptist’s outside of church to know whatever is going on inside their church would make me want to slit my throat.
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2019 11:33 am
@coluber2001,
Quote:
It wasn't very interesting, and I didn't sense anything sacred there, so I had to look elsewhere.
At least you didn't go the usual route and give up entirely. I didn't find anything, or at least enough, in church either.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 5 Mar, 2019 05:31 pm
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/b7/b9/90/b7b990267d97d5c0c4677fcae8a866e3.jpg
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badger2
 
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Reply Fri 15 Mar, 2019 02:14 pm
Unlike traditional atheism, radical atheism questions the desire for immortality (Haegglund, Radical Atheism: Derrida and the Time of Life).
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 15 Mar, 2019 06:59 pm
@badger2,
That's a fringe--mainstream, or if you prefer, traditional atheism is largely indifferent to such matters. The so-called "weak" atheists or implicit atheists are the overwhelming majority of atheists. Pew Research in the U.S. and Ipsos--Reid in Canada, and other polling organizations elsewhere make this clear. Not only that, but the Religious Tolerance-dot-org web site reasonably suggests that implicit atheists generally don't respond to such surveys and are under-represented. The so-called strong atheists, the explicit atheists get a lot of attention, on the squeaky wheel principle. But my life's experience and what I've read in surveys in recent years strongly suggests that implicit atheists are far and away the majority, and they just don't care about crap like that. As I've always said, I don't know if there's a god, but I don't believe it, and most importantly, I just don't care.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 15 Mar, 2019 08:42 pm
I doubt if any atheists expect immortality, or desire the heaven(s) described by the religious.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 15 Mar, 2019 11:36 pm
@badger2,
Traditional atheism? What does that even mean? It's not like there's a bible or a priesthood that molests children. Atheism is the only 'belief system' that will reoccur anywhere, anytime, with any sentient species.
fresco
 
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Reply Sat 16 Mar, 2019 04:30 am
@hingehead,
.....not a 'belief system'. The rejection of theistic belief systems.
 

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