Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Mon 11 May, 2015 03:20 pm
@timur,
timur wrote:

You are a liar and you are showing it every moment.


Nope...I am not a liar.

Quote:
I told you already I don't want you dead, it would deprive me from the pleasure of watching you playing the clown and running around like a beheaded chicken..


Well...if you don't want to suggest you want me dead...

...why on Earth would you write something like (and I quote):


Quote:
You know ****, little ****.

You are just demonstrating how naive you are with the crap you talk.

Don't try that crap of being the same species as me.

We have nothing in common, not even a speck.

Drop dead, poor old guy..


You certainly sounded a bit miffed, Timur...and you certainly seemed to be suggesting you would not mind me dropping dead!

Tsk, tsk!


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Olivier5
 
  1  
Mon 11 May, 2015 03:23 pm
@Frank Apisa,
That explains it...
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timur
 
  1  
Mon 11 May, 2015 03:25 pm
Timur wrote:
Frank wrote:
You just essentially wished me dead.

I don't, it's just an idiom, you know that.

I think every little thing as a right to existence, so does a little dung beetle like you.


You are a wicked son of a bitch, Frank, I never meant that you really drop dead.
Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Mon 11 May, 2015 03:27 pm
@timur,
timur wrote:

Timur wrote:
Frank wrote:
You just essentially wished me dead.

I don't, it's just an idiom, you know that.

I think every little thing as a right to existence, so does a little dung beetle like you.


You are a wicked son of a bitch, Frank, I never meant that you really drop dead.


Here is the entire quote, Timur:

Quote:
You know ****, little ****.

You are just demonstrating how naive you are with the crap you talk.

Don't try that crap of being the same species as me.

We have nothing in common, not even a speck.

Drop dead, poor old guy..


It sounds to me as though you would just as soon I die...so that you can feel better.

If not...you really should be more careful with your wording...when you are as angry as you are in this discussion.



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Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Mon 11 May, 2015 03:28 pm
@timur,
I forgot...

...you also charged that I am "wicked" ...and a dung beetle.

Out of control!
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timur
 
  1  
Mon 11 May, 2015 03:29 pm
Frank wrote:
when you are as angry as you are in this discussion.
Another lame and wild assumption.

I couldn't be more serene..

You, on the other hand, are over your head..
timur
 
  1  
Mon 11 May, 2015 03:30 pm
Frank wrote:
you also charged that I am "wicked" ...and a dung beetle.
Those are mild statements..
Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Mon 11 May, 2015 03:31 pm
@timur,
timur wrote:

Frank wrote:
when you are as angry as you are in this discussion.
Another lame and wild assumption.

I couldn't be more serene..

You, on the other hand, are over your head..


You are way out of your league...and you are far, far, far from serene.

But you are amusing. I'll give you that!
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Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Mon 11 May, 2015 03:32 pm
@timur,
timur wrote:

Frank wrote:
you also charged that I am "wicked" ...and a dung beetle.
Those are mild statements..



Yes, they are. For a name-caller like you...they are indeed.

You gotta get a handle on that, Ole friend.
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timur
 
  1  
Mon 11 May, 2015 03:35 pm
Frank wrote:
You gotta get a handle on that, Ole friend.
I have all handles I need, I don't need your crappy advice.

I'm not your friend, to say the least..
Thomas
 
  1  
Mon 11 May, 2015 03:35 pm
@fresco,
fresco wrote:
Okay. The argument put forward by most atheists is that "the (independent) existence of a deity" cannot be proved.

Never mind proof. Evidence that makes it more likely than not is good enough.

fresco wrote:
But "independent existence" of anything at all is unprovable because it requires at least one observer to assign the nature of thinghood within a social context, in order to denote what might constitute "evidence".

So to translate that into plain English, you believe that if a tree falls and nobody is there to listen, nobody can prove whether it made a sound or not. I'm not convinced that this is true. But even if it is, it still doesn't put any circularity into the statement, "I believe it did make a sound" --- nor, for that matter, into its opposite, "I believe it did not make a sound". Naive realism, then, may be too simple-minded for your sophisticated tastes, but your claim that its reasoning is circular remains unsupported.

I guess this is where I let go of this particular point.
Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Mon 11 May, 2015 04:18 pm
@timur,
timur wrote:

Frank wrote:
You gotta get a handle on that, Ole friend.
I have all handles I need, I don't need your crappy advice.

I'm not your friend, to say the least..


You have "handles" do ya?

You can work them off.

You oughta stop taking yourself so seriously, Timur. You are sounding very stilted.
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layman
 
  1  
Mon 11 May, 2015 04:49 pm
@Thomas,
Quote:
Naive realism, then, may be too simple-minded for your sophisticated tastes, but your claim that its reasoning is circular remains unsupported.


Fresky invariably attaches the modifier "naïve," to any reference he may make to realism. He thinks it makes him somehow sound more sophisticated, no doubt. But, despite his interminable pretenses to being an expert on epistemology, he merely misuses the term:

Quote:
Contemporary philosophical realism is the belief that some aspect of our reality is ontologically independent of our conceptual schemes, perceptions, linguistic practices, beliefs, etc...Realists tend to believe that whatever we believe now is only an approximation of reality and that every new observation brings us closer to understanding reality...

Naïve realism, also known as direct realism, is a philosophy of mind...

In contrast, some forms of idealism assert that no world exists apart from mind-dependent ideas and some forms of skepticism say we cannot trust our senses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_realism#Na.C3.AFve_realism



Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Mon 11 May, 2015 04:53 pm
@layman,
If Fresco were to change his wording to "may be" on some of these thoughts...he might end up making some sense.

But he pontificates. Things are the way he suggests they are...or the way his host of authorities to whom he appeals, suggest...and that is that.

Too bad about that.

I am delighted so many are challenging him with such vigor.
timur
 
  1  
Mon 11 May, 2015 06:21 pm
Frank wrote:
You oughta stop taking yourself so seriously, Timur. You are sounding very stilted.
You should stop giving crappy advice, Frank.

You don't know what you are talking about.

So, you are not stilted yourself, with your baseless pretentiousness?
layman
 
  1  
Mon 11 May, 2015 10:10 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
I am delighted so many are challenging him with such vigor.


I guess I'm just a soft touch, Frank. When someone begs long enough and hard enough for something, I almost always end up breaking down and giving it to them, ya know?
fresco
 
  1  
Tue 12 May, 2015 12:04 am
@Thomas,
Re "tree in the forest", which is an oxymoron because if I said to you...

"if a grok jilled in a spling unobserved would it make a throop ?",

.... you could give no answer even though you might recognise it as a potential "question". That is because (a) you have not acquired the "words" I am using in a social discourse and therefore (b) you cannot re-create any scenario in your mind's eye. (which of course is antithetical to "unobserved").

Notice that it is the abstract permanence of words which re-presents the impression of a "reality" independent of observers, yet that those words are merely social tokens which our social "selves" utilize to co-ordinate actions (including verbalization). The words may be permanent, but all, including "self" is in flux.

Now have another look at this with respect to permanence/eternal.
Quote:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John
izzythepush
 
  1  
Tue 12 May, 2015 01:42 am
@fresco,
fresco wrote:

Re "tree in the forest", which is an oxymoron because if I said to you...

"if a grok jilled in a spling unobserved would it make a throop ?",


I see you've been to Rutland.
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Tue 12 May, 2015 02:52 am
@timur,
Stop with the talk about other's pretentiousness, Timur.

Look at your avatar...and realize how absurd that kind of talk is.

And we really should take this over to the other thread. Don't know why you felt compelled to start it again over here, but there is no need for it. You are already taking enough beating over there.
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Tue 12 May, 2015 02:55 am
@layman,
layman wrote:

Quote:
I am delighted so many are challenging him with such vigor.


I guess I'm just a soft touch, Frank. When someone begs long enough and hard enough for something, I almost always end up breaking down and giving it to them, ya know?


I know.

But I like the brass knuckle approach you use...and just wanted to mention it.

Fresco does beg for it...doesn't he.
 

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