Ionus
 
  1  
Mon 23 Mar, 2015 08:45 pm
@Olivier5,
Now just steady on . I wont have **** for brains relegated to being nasty...he is mentally ill and thinks he is doing well . He has chemical imbalances and has been beaten up so many times he has become a coward and a bully...but he is not nasty ! Now that I think about it...ok, he is a nasty piece of crap...but he is NOT a pornstar and you cant say he is !!
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Ionus
 
  1  
Mon 23 Mar, 2015 08:50 pm
@Olivier5,
I think the record thumbs down is about 13 . I've only ever made 10 . Sad
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Ionus
 
  1  
Mon 23 Mar, 2015 08:52 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Anyway…over in that other thread where you guys are discussing Special Relativity...are you discussing it from the American take on Special Relativity…or the European?
Like the swallow gag...Southern European or North African ?
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Ionus
 
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Mon 23 Mar, 2015 08:58 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
the way it did it is through the means that science is now disclosing…through the evolutionary processes we are uncovering.
That is the official position of the Catholic Church .
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layman
 
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Mon 23 Mar, 2015 09:03 pm
In an earlier post I mentioned the atheistic attempt to eliminate the word "agnostic," and recategorize them as "atheists," was in part an attempt to improve it's public relations and otherwise promote it's agenda (such as the goal of "develop­ing and supporting a healthy, thriving, and respected atheist community in the United States" enunciated by the American Atheists).

That is not the only attempt they've to "invent" words which are designed to portray them in a favorable light. Improved public relations are definitely required, as Nathan Alexander, a co-director of The International Society for Historians of Atheism, Secularism, and Humanism notes below:

Quote:
A 2012 Gallup poll, meanwhile, found that only 54 percent of United States citizens would vote for an atheist candidate for president, coming below a Muslim candidate (58 percent), or a gay or lesbian candidate (68 percent).

...into the nineteenth century, negative judgments about atheists, not to mention legal penalties, persisted, so a variety of new terms were introduced with varying success...[One] Another term invented in the nineteenth century ostensibly to avoid the taint of “atheism” was “secularism...During the 1920s and 1930s, another term emerged: “humanism.”...A contemporary example of this kind of rebranding is the term “bright,” coined in 2002 by Paul Geisert, an educator in the United States. Leading atheists Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett quickly championed the term.

As Dawkins explained, a new word to describe atheists should “[l]ike gay,…be positive, warm, cheerful, bright.” (A similar appropriation of language from the LGBT movement is the idea that atheists should “come out of the closet” and declare their views publicly.)

The Atheist Alliance International began a self-reporting global census of atheists and non-religious people in late 2012 and asked, among other things, for individuals’ preferred labels. Of over 250,000 respondents, 63.6 percent said they preferred the term atheist. “Non religious,” “agnostic,” “freethinker,” and “humanist” received about 7 percent each, while “secularist” had less than 2 percent. “Bright” did not even register in the poll.

All of this gets to a broader issue of strategy. Should atheists be struggling to rehabilitate their chosen label or should they be inventing new words, without the negative baggage of “atheist,” to describe their beliefs?


http://opencuny.org/theadvocate/2015/02/25/the-terms-of-unbelief-atheist-by-any-other-name/

When your popularity rating in the U.S. is below that of gays and muslims, you know you've got an "acceptance" problem. Strategic planning is required. "Hey, let's call ourselves Brights!" "I like "freethinkers!" Whatever makes you sound "smart," I guess, eh?

What the atheist lobby may need is just more and more invented words. That will surely put them in power, right?
Ionus
 
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Mon 23 Mar, 2015 09:08 pm
@Setanta,
I dont know why I bother...read carefully **** for brains...Theists are criticised because they BELIEVE there is a God . They cant prove there is, but it is possible . Atheists criticise Theists because a belief is not scientific and they are usually such mundane plodding idiots (like yourself) they dont understand that their position IS a belief . They cant prove God's non-existence therefore it is their BELIEF that God does not exist . If you cant prove or disprove then it is a possibility .

Anyone who does not rabidly BELIEVE in a God or not but takes the scientifically correct position of being Agnostic is criticised by Atheists because deep down in their insecurity they know they are wrong . Agnosticism is the only scientifically correct position . Atheists understand very little science or they would admit some science suggests there is a God, and with knowledge not yet being total, we cant decide . What the idiots who call themselves Atheists usually attack are religions, people's beliefs, which has NOTHING (reading this **** for brains ?) NOTHING to do with the existence of God. Disproving the Bible does not disprove God, you pack of moronic fuckwits !!
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 23 Mar, 2015 09:09 pm
@layman,
Agnostic is a necessary component where it describes people who really don't know if there is or isn't a god.
If we observe the world of religions, the reality for many are that there is a god or many gods, and that's the majority of our species.
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hingehead
 
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Mon 23 Mar, 2015 09:17 pm
@layman,
Your misconception that atheism is a movement that encompasses even a significant minority of atheists is ludicrous and self serving.


Let all the people who don't believe in Santa Claus unite and they can control the world!

Sigh.
layman
 
  1  
Mon 23 Mar, 2015 09:21 pm
@hingehead,
Quote:
Your misconception that atheism is a movement that encompasses even a significant minority of atheists


Do the math (2% are atheist in this country.) Then do some research. Wait, I've already done that for you. Look at the facts. Amercian Atheist alone claims to have over 100 "affiliates." Look at the "huge list" which I gave the cite for. Add it up, eh?

Not that it really matters. All the attempts to bastardize the English language, etc., come from the "activist" groups.
ehBeth
 
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Mon 23 Mar, 2015 09:24 pm
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:
What the idiots who call themselves Atheists usually attack are religions, people's beliefs, which has NOTHING (reading this **** for brains ?) NOTHING to do with the existence of God. Disproving the Bible does not disprove God, you pack of moronic fuckwits !!


and this kind of behaviour ^^^ is exactly why littlek started this thread
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 23 Mar, 2015 09:25 pm
@layman,
That's a joke, right? Atheist "Affiliates?" That belongs in Ripley's. LOL

What exactly is the function of these "affiliates?"
layman
 
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Mon 23 Mar, 2015 09:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
That's a joke, right? Atheist "Affiliates?" That belongs in Ripley's. LOL

What exactly is the function of these "affiliates?"


Go to their website and ask them, eh?

Quote:
American Atheists is dedicated to develop­ing and supporting a healthy, thriving, and respected atheist community in the United States, with over 100 affiliates


http://atheists.org/activism/local-partners-affiliates
hingehead
 
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Mon 23 Mar, 2015 09:37 pm
@layman,
Well you've lied straight away - 2% is about a fifth of those that declare their atheism (as opposed to those who are atheist but don't admit it because of the behaviour/attitudes we've seen on this thread from some theists). In Canada it's over 30% and a significant portion of those who identify as catholic or protestant don't believe there's a god.

In Europe it's around 20% (on average - 40% in France, 1% in Romania)

Similar numbers for my part of the world (Australia (22%) and New Zealand (40%)) but oddly even with those much larger percentages of confessed atheists there is no group of secular, free thinking 'affiliates' pushing for power.

layman
 
  1  
Mon 23 Mar, 2015 09:40 pm
@hingehead,
Quote:
Well you've lied straight away - 2% is about a fifth of those that declare their atheism


Liar? Heh. I gave a (quite respectable) source for my figures. You got one for yours?
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 23 Mar, 2015 09:42 pm
@layman,
That really is a joke! LOL "Dedicated to developing and supporting a healthy, thriving, and respected atheist community."

That statement is meaningless. That's what religions do; not atheists.

How many atheists have you met who were doing just that? NONE.
In my almost 80 years on this planet, I have never met an atheist who promoted such b.s.

layman
 
  1  
Mon 23 Mar, 2015 09:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
That statement is meaningless. That's what religions do; not atheists.


(1) That's exactly what they say they do, whether you like it or not.
(2) Who told you that atheism was not a religion?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 23 Mar, 2015 09:54 pm
@layman,
Nobody has to tell me atheism is not religion. Atheists believe there is no god or gods. Do you own a dictionary? How about logic? Do you understand "do not believe" as a religion? You're dumber than I thought.
layman
 
  1  
Mon 23 Mar, 2015 09:55 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Nobody has to tell me atheism is not religion. Atheists believe there is no god or gods. Do you own a dictionary? How about logic? Do you understand "do not believe" as a religion? You're dumber than I thought
.

Logic, you say?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 23 Mar, 2015 10:00 pm
@layman,
"Do not believe" is a religion? LOL You're not only stupid, but illogical.

Why don't you show proof of your god(s)? Under the terms of logic, it's up to you to prove there is a god or gods. Since I don't believe in god(s), I don't need to prove there is one. In logic, it's very difficult to prove a negative. It's called a logical fallacy.

Logic 101. You failed.
layman
 
  1  
Mon 23 Mar, 2015 10:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Well, since you have called me both "stupid" and "dumb," YOU WIN!!! CONGRATULATIONS! The sheer genius of it all, I tell ya!
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