Atheism

@argome321,

OK, let me try to summarize what I think you are saying, so you can't point out where I'm misunderstanding you, if I am.

1.You see no convincing arguments for god.
2. You don't claim to know, absolutely, that god doesn't exist, but
3. Based on the evidence (or lack thereof) your personal belief is that god does not exist.

Is that right?

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@argome321,

A side question, Arg:

I made a post at 4:05
You answered it 20 minutes later.
I'm just curious: Does it take you a long time to know that I've made a post, or are you just taking the time you need to respond?

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@layman,

layman wrote:

Does it take you a long time to know that I've made a post, or are you just taking the time you need to respond?

Or maybe he has a life outside of A2K and was doing something else for twenty minutes.

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@layman,

Am I allowed to go to the bathroom? A'm I allowed to do other things?
just kidding

I don't know what time it is where you are it's 6:42 am here.
No, it is just sometimes I have things to tend to.

Hmm I remember Oliveria asking me the same thing, He thought I had abandon him and was quite upset, Beats me why?

When I don't see a response to my reply I just readily assume that person left for whatever reason. it's no big deal to me,

But if it is I apologize. I should leave a BRB... is that the shorthand on these things?

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@argome321,

Sometimes, for whatever reason, posts don't appear on my screen until long after they are made. Anyway, the question was--"is that right?"

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@layman,

Quote:

1.You see no convincing arguments for god.
2. You don't claim to know, absolutely, that god doesn't exist, but
3. Based on the evidence (or lack thereof) your personal belief is that god does not exist.

Is that right?

I would say pretty much so.

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@argome321,

Quote:

I would say pretty much so.

OK, good, so far we're on the same page. I'm going to make two statements, and then ask you a question, OK?

1. I do not believe there is a god

2. I believe there is no god

Question: To you,

(1) do those two sentence just basically say the same thing in two different ways, or
(2) do they say significantly different things?

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@layman,

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OK, good, so far we're on the same page. I'm going to make two statements, and then ask you a question, OK?

1. I do not believe there is a god

2. I believe there is no god

Question: To you,

(1) do those two sentence just basically say the same thing in two different ways, or
(2) do they say significantly different things?

So what are we interested in accomplishing here? Are we interested in what one is trying to say or or we into arguing over syntax and semantics?

So let's cut to the chase. what is your point?

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@Setanta,

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I made no remarks about conscription

The following is a quote from you mentioning conscription

Quote:

He conscripted right along according to a schedule, from 1801 onward--but he simply organized it, it had been in effect since 1794.

I'm being honest now...I really think you need hormone replacement therapy, the kind given to grumpy old men .
Either that or you are mentally ill .
Why do you bother ? Your contribution is no more that what can be attained from Google, and your insults would get a comedian thrown off stage . You just arent good at this .

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@argome321,

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So let's cut to the chase. what is your point?

I have no point. I simply asked you a question in the hope of better understanding what you are saying.

If you don't want to discuss it, that's fine. We can end this any time.

Do you care to answer the question, or not?

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@layman,

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I have no point. I simply asked you a question in the hope of better understanding what you are saying.

If you don't want to discuss it, that's fine. We can end this any time.

Do you care to answer the question, or not?

Well if you don't have a point nor end game then I guess there isn't anything left to say on this topic.

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@argome321,

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Well if you don't have a point nor end game then I guess there isn't anything left to say

.

OK, Arg. Thanks for the discussion. You now refuse to get the least bit specific about what you are saying. I gather that you want to remain vague.

Just so you won't accuse me of distorting what you say, what you think, what you believe, or anything like that, all I will say about you is that you don't believe in god. Fair enough?

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@argome321,

Earlier you asserted something about the probability of the existence of gods...which you later confirmed you meant "any gods."

Your assertion was that the probability of their existence was minimal.

I questioned the basis for that "probability estimate."

I suspect it is a gratuitous one...based on faulty "evidence"...and asked you to produce the evidence.

Your firsts comment was that you assumed no burden of proof (or evidence)...and I am trying to establish whether you realize that when you make an assertion such as you made...you DO assume such a burden.

http://able2know.org/topic/141106-594#post-5913747

That is YOUR assertion.

You assume the burden of proof for that assertion. But I am not even asking you for proof…because you CANNOT prove it…I am asking for the evidence upon which you are making the assertion.

You should either acknowledge that the burden exists for you…or withdraw the assertion.

Which is it?

Do you understand that you have the obligation to provide evidence for your assertion?

Or are you going to withdraw the assertion?

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@layman,

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I was going to comment on this hackneyed cliché too, but I wanted to wait until Arg answered Frank's question. To even make such a comparison between that and some sublime concept of "god" (like, perhaps, Jefferson, Newton, and Einstein had, for example) is simply silly. Caricatures are easy to argue against, but it's hardly persuasive when someone "defeats" it.

I care not about how sublime a concept is -- that's too subjective for my taste.

My usual take on the spaghetti monster is that he could well exist in some planetary system or another out there. So there's no "knowing" of its innexistence either, unless one has visited the whole universe.

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@Frank Apisa,

If you read from whence I began the conversation and through the conversation and until I end with layman I have stated my case. Whether you accept, disagree with, whatever, it has been answered ad nauseam. Any further explaintion is just repetitive rhetoric.

So read the entire post from whence I began and between the lines. I know you're smart to understand what I am saying.

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@argome321,

I don't get it Argome.

My question is...do you agree that a person making an assertion assumes the burden of proof?

If it does, I am going to ask you about specifics regarding your assertion that the probability of ANY god is minimal...which I see to be an absurdly unsustainable assertion.

But when I asked that question, you effectively said you bore no responsibility for proof (or evidence)...apparently because your assertion should not be counted as an assertion.

If you want to discuss it...I am here.

By the way...just as an aside: If you are going to use words like "whence" you ought really to use it properly or it sounds pretentious. "From whence" does not cut the mustard, because the word "whence" contains the "from." Just the word "whence" is used when used properly.

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@Frank Apisa,

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By the way...just as an aside: If you are going to use words like "whence" you ought really to use it properly or it sounds pretentious. "From whence" does not cut the mustard, because the word "whence" contains the "from." Just the word "whence" is used when used properly.

You see, I'm not that hard to understand. I was (am) being pretentious... and my reply remains The same

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@argome321,

Okay...so I guess we should treat your "reply" as no reply...or as a reply that simply does not explain why you make the assertion you do.

We can treat your assertion the way many of us treat the assertion "There is a GOD"...or "there are no gods"...as blind guesses gone ape.

No problem with that, Argome. Peace.

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@ehBeth,

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it would be nice if atheists could have their thread back

I somehow got the impression that, once the evil trolls were cleared out and things were once again safe, there would be a virtual stampede of "self-defined atheists" that would rush in to start posting "relevant" things.

Looks like a ghost town here now. Go figure, eh?

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